Wednesday, August 24, 2011

Tuesday 5:40pm class

20 comments:

Alan Roth said...

Condoleezza Rice admitted that "For 60 years, my country, the United States pursued stability at the expense of democracy in the Middle East -- and we achieved neither." For years we’ve tried to push our values on countries around the world and people weren’t ready. Truth is, if it wasn’t for technology we’d still be coming up empty I believe. The people are speaking across the middle-east (Lybia as well) and they want and deserve more. Whether Obama was pushing for selfish reasons for the US or not, in the end we have a moral value we preach every day and must stand by. One can ask how do we decide which country we go into and which we do not? What about Bahrain and Yemen and assisting there? Reality is, this is a process and in the end, hopefully the people’s voice will stand tall and freedom will be the outcome. I believe in what is taking place and have hope that although it may not happen over night in the end this will be another chapter in the history books with a positive ending.

Kammie Whitaker said...

Based on reports in the news the Libyan revolution occurred because the standard of living got unacceptably low and basic human rights were being violated, so the force behind it is of the people. Even the military left Colonel Moammar Gadhafi’s side and joined the masses declaring a refusal to fight against their own people. Whenever there is a revolution the masses support it is always a better choice than if it did not occur. Based on the article, Libya does not have established institutions like political parties and a judiciary so they would be easier to create versus a country like Russia (formerly the Soviet Union) where these existed and were difficult to restructure. The main problem would be to bring the people together in participation to rebuild the country. All in all, the Libyan revolution in my opinion is an event that benefits the country and its people even if there are problems and difficulties that have to be faced.

Alan Cardero said...

Libya is one more country where most of the wealth stays in a small and selected group, while most of the people in the nation suffer very basic needs. In my eyes this fact together with the previous events in Egypt and Tunisia was the cause for the initial rebellion against Colonel Gadafi's Government. A rebellion that would had been crushed if it wasn't for the intervention of NATO when the rebels where against the wall. Today, we all know rebels have entered Tripoli, we see on CNN and other News Networks evidence of Gadafi's family cruelty against their staff as well as the luxuries we all imagined they had. I would like to share the feeling that something good has been done, but the future for Libya is a big question mark. I hope and beg the T.N.C. has the knowledge, courage and intelligence needed to do what needs to be done now, because in the world that we live, all we can do is witness what's next, either is good or bad.

olmis leyva said...

Is this  a real Revolution? I want to believe it is a Revolution in progress having in mine that a revolution is a fundamental radical change in socio political institution and we have not seeing that yet.The truth is that after so many years under a dictatorship  libyans  know a regime with Gaddafi will only cause more poverty and inequality.  We do not know what kind of political  government will be or if the western and eastern regions will set up an association under federal government  or if they will  keep the old system. Everything will depends on the speed the revels are going to be able to come together and organized. This might be difficult as the rebels are made up of lots of different groups and experts worry that they could star fighting amongst themselves once Gaddafi is removed. As  Mark Quarterman said "reconciliation and wide participation must begin as soon as possible, and is a necessary step for the ultimate success of the transition."So,  I hope for a real Revolution a change and a permanent fall of Gaddafi's tyranny. And yes, there is always be hope for this process. 

Anonymous said...

Every revolution is unique, even Gaddafi’s coup d'état in1969 against King Idris that launched the Libyan revolution. I also bet Gaddafi had hope that his coup against King Idris would work, so we not the people of Libya can hope with their rebellion against Gaddafi. Only until now that Libya’s people have endured Gaddafi’s reign and wrath, and until they want to take matter unto their own hands after 41 years. The people of Libya do not have a right change their government. They have to make their own right to speak their minds even if it leads to rebellions actions to be heard by the world and Gaddafi. Electing someone whom is more respectable with his/or her people will end this chaos and hopefully improve the resent events in Libya. More so, this revolution can help other that have given their aid to the N.T.C. as the N.T.C. have given their promise to pay off their debt with oil.

-Alexandra Acevedo

Shawn said...

I believe the Libyan Rebels take- over of Tripoli may only be considered to be an uprising at this point and could not yet be considered a revolution. You must first have some great structural, institutional change for it legitimately to be called a revolution. Gadhafi out of power does not make it a complete revolution it is only one part of a really big puzzle and all the world will have to wait and watch. The Libyan people have a blank slate for the first time and don’t have to worry about the old regime structures they can start from scratch. The making, of a complete revolution, involves an overhaul of both the economic and governmental structures of a country. Even with the ousting of Gahdafi I believe that the country’s future can go in any number of directions. I think the Libyan people should take a hard look at Egypt. The liberals and Islamists were united in ousting their dictator. Now that they have to work together politically, their conflicting agendas have become more apparent. I think the Libyans are in a similar situation after working so hard to push out their dictator, the different factions could turn against each other. Its wait and watch time as to how this whole situation works itself out.

Anonymous said...

The Libyan rebels have accomplished something extraordinary, NATO airpower played a critical role in helping them do it, and the US played a critical role enabling NATO. This is what success looks like. Certainly it's a mess. Certainly, everyone involved screwed up in ways that cost human lives - but war is like that even when you win. Certainly, Libya is just beginning a long and dangerous journey that could lead to chaos or renewed tyranny - but revolutions are like that, including ours in 1775. History is no longer written mainly by historians. The dominant understanding of past events for the public at large, and for the ‘informed’ political class as well, increasingly is crystallized by interpretations made during and immediately after their occurrence. Pictorial images reinforce them. The purveyors of these stories rarely are qualified by knowledge, acuity of analysis and/or good intentions to shape our view of reality. To me Libya is not a particularly poor, underdeveloped or war-ravaged country. It has a relatively small population with limited social divisions, and a ready source of income. The biggest challenge ahead is political, not development or reconstruction. Libya lacks political institutions and traditions, and will in short, require functioning new security forces. In these contexts in particular, outside help could be extremely useful.

Anonymous said...

Human suffering orchestrated by political leaders is only tolerated to a certain point by the masses until the society at hand rebels. Forced to live under Muammar Gaddafi’s tyranny, faced with poverty and lack of fundamental human rights, the people of Libya had no other choice but to lead a mutiny against their reigning leader. Pro-Gaddafi militants have been forced to defend their leader by fighting against their own people, consequently leading many pro-Gaddafi soldiers to abandon their posts and fight with the masses. Pitting ones common society against itself only leads to destruction and eventual political downfall. The scheme to overthrow their tyrannous leader is fueled by the desire of freewill and prospect of a better life. Muammar Gaddafi’s reign over Libya began with a revolution and will most likely end that way, as well. In the end freedom is the resolution that the Libyan people seek and they will fight to achieve it. Although Gaddafi has shown no signs of surrender just yet, I believe that the revolution will prevail.

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Linda Caicedo said...

Although I do believe that a violent revolt by the people is not always the best course of action, it is understandable that the Libyan people feel compelled to resort to such drastic behavior. They reacted in a reasonable manner to their basic civil rights being constantly violated under Gaddafi’s rule. It is unthinkable in our country that a person would be mutilated or hung just for expressing their opposition towards the President. Aside from the countless deaths resulting from the brutal punishments imposed by Gaddafi, his reckless spending of the country’s oil income on military weaponry destroyed Libya’s economy, leaving many infuriated, I’m sure. While I do agree that it is necessary for some sort of peace agreement in the future between the opposing forces, I hope that the people’s revolution is powerful enough to overthrow Gaddafi and punish him for the 40 years of torment he brought upon the Libyans.

Thomas Hardy said...

Throughout the history of time,certain countries have been run the same way for years. Do we agree with how things are done in different countries? Maybe or maybe not! I really feel as if the US would stay out of this situation things will work itself out. This revolution is no more than a organized riot. The country of Libya has a government. If they want Gaddafi out they could get him out. I beleive there is more than what is being said. The governments tell us what they want us to know, and not all we should know.

Michely Hernandez said...

Being that Libya has been in a reign of communist supremacy, it is obvious that what they seek is change. After more than four decades of consistent power, the country has not only found themselves without any political revenue but also without humanistic rights. Since 1969, Gaddafi has been reckless enough to cause King Idris, the only king of Libya, to flee the country with his protesting demand for the country. Originally Gaddafi was doing the correct thing for the sake of prosperity in the country with a process of directing funds toward providing education, healthcare and housing for all, which was a drastic change for the people of Libya. However, after over two decades, Gaddafi openly supported international terrorism causing a red flag worldwide. Gaddafi initially approached the city in violence and renegade, so that shouldn’t have been such a shocker. The Libyan Revolution has brought some type of hope to the country since a warrant had been issued against Gaddafi and his military. It seems that even though it could get bloody, there is hope for a democratic future in Libya. Is this truly a revolution? In my opinion this is a revolution. I just hope that the people of Libya understand the many variables within their nation that may conflict with their ultimate desire. It is understandable for any group of civilization under a dictatorship eventually demand their freedom, dignity and human rights back at once point. Mark Quarterman argues that the revolution demonstrates “chaos and instability”, but after over forty years of the hasty behavior Gaddafi has portrayed, it is only right that Librarians stand up for rights on their own. The funding is there to initiate rebuilding Libya from Britain. It is just a matter of time before things fall into place.

Alejandro Gonzalvez said...

Even though I do not believe that violence is the answer to anything. I do not have admit that there is a point where one has to fight for our rights. In my opinion, it was time for Libya to fight for its rights. Hopefully, out the chaos that is occurring at this moment, some order will be created. It is too soon to tell if this revolution will have any good or bad outcomes. However, if the correct events happen, and the Libyan people are able to keep composure, and control, there may still be some hope that the country will have a positive outcome. Once again, it is too soon to tell.

Juliana said...

As stated by Hisham Matar at his home in London “For the first time in our history the idea of democracy is a real, tangible idea, not a fairy tale”. They have been living under oppression all their life, so for them a light of change is something big, they don’t even know what freedom is. For the past 40 years they have been living a torture. The problem here arises, the revolution started but in depth who are the rebels? What have they been doing for the past 40 years? Waiting on Gadhafi to turn back and strike? Many questions that not even the government have a clue. What will happen next?
Jack Cafferty from CNN said, “In Libya, as in many parts of the Middle East, getting rid of the dictator is only the first step”. Almost a decade since Saddam Hussein was defeated, and Iraq is still fighting and figuring out what they want to do.
I know is a matter of time, but it would be important for an international force, to facilitate by a provisional government, the transition to the correct democracy for Libyans.

Davvin said...

The people of Libya are truly going through some dark times. i do not believe in any one comtry going to another to solve their problems when they have not completly solved all of their own problems back at home. In cases like Tripoli, Libya some kind of intervention is deffinitly needed. The life for people there is inhumane and the government is corrupt. Gadaffi is having civilians sent to jail and beaten for crimes they did not commit. NATO says they will intervene only so that the civilians are not injured. I believe they should do more and put Gadaffi's regime to rest. A dectatorship may be the best way to govern your children; however, it cannot be accepted in governing the populations of countries. Gadaffi has commited crimes such as theift and brutality against his own people of Libya. This man needs to be taken seriously because for all we know he could be Libya's Hitler. I do believe the rebels are putting up one hell of a fight, and I think if they continue on they will overthrow Gadaffi's regime. What happens after they overthrow him is the even greater question; one impossible to answer at this point in time.

Hugo Paiz said...

Following the news events being reported regarding the chain of events happening in Libya, it seem clear to me that people are sending a clear message in connection to the way the regime has over step its boundaries. While I do not support violence, it appears that violence seem to send a strong message of expression. Even-though this may lead to another group in power which may continue leading the country in the same manner, there is always hope that the change being requested by the citizens of this county it will turned out to in the favor and for the better of the country. I strongly believe that changes are always something to look forward to, and while it is to early to determined the outcome of this battle, we all hope that it will be very beneficial to the country. The hope for a better life and a strong leaders in any country are essential elements for a bright future.

Eddie said...

It is too soon to tell what is to come out of this revolt. People in Lybia are finally doing something to change the way they live and how they are treated. I doubt what they are doing can get them in a worse situation so I encourage and support the people of Lybia. When it is all said and done more than likely the leader of Lybia will be overthrown and the united states will be the first to lend a helping hand at a cost... But the Lybians don't know that yet. I'm sure Obama and his crew will get it all sorted out and grant the Lybians the freedom they seek because according to the united states... Were entitled to do that.

Kebren said...

It seems to me that countries like USA claim the love for freedom and democracy, but do not interfere on this situation unless they can get something in exchange. Libyan people already have a majority and the will of changing the political structure. Gaddafi had to pay for mercenaries and weapons to hold the own Libyan army from revolt. It is also remarkable that the people of Libya are not as organized as revolutions usually are. Usually, revolutions begin with a small group of people planning against the government. They try to gain the people’s attention, affection, and support in many ways. If the revolution is successful, the ones who began the revolution are usually the ones who stay on power. However in Libya, the vast majority is against the government already and there is not enough organization to hit the capital. I don’t like wars as I guess most people on this class, but when there is something that needs to be changed it is know the only way to change it is by a revolution. So, why is that other countries do not help Libyan people as much as they claim to?

Kevin Caro

Anonymous said...

The Libyan Revolution is something of great benefit. It’s when the people of the country say “No more! (About their government).” It is like a volcano absorbing all the pressure (political unrests) till it bursts (to a revolution) which changes everything. Soviet Russia is the best example, the people got tired of the czar who joined world war one to help his rich kings in Europe. They forced a revolution by throwing down the czar and withdrew from the war. If the government does not please the people, no matter what the people will make that government no more. And I think it was for the best because if the people did not kill the czar, then in world war two the Russians would have been fighting with horses and swords against the German tanks. The world would have been all Nazi. Revolutions are always for the best. Libya should change its whole government any way the people desire it. The military won’t kill its whole country because it’s killing one’s family. The politics are only left to surrender. Remember no government lasts forever and will fall and Libya’s time has come!
- Lisandra Sanchez

Luis Amoretti said...

"BENGHAZI, Libya — Rebels seeking to overturn the 40-year rule of Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi repelled a concerted assault by his forces on Thursday on cities close to the capital, removing any doubt that Libya’s patchwork of protests had evolved into an increasingly well-armed revolutionary movement." says The New York times. A country that is well stabled- resource wise, but yet politically its is not so on point. My outlook on the so called revolution is really not yet matured. They have not yet established any new political and economical standards now that they do not have Qaddafi on leadership anymore. All they are doing is fighting like chickens with their heads cut off. Libya should start revolting properly and make changes. I do agree with Olmis Their protests aren't really going anywhere use the resources you have under your belt start to trade and increase the jobs. Start to change the with making your country better not in the way France did in their bloody revolt but in a revolution like Gandhi portrayed and conquered. Use love not guns !