If I believe that soccer is the best sport in the world, I can certainly justify it, but I can’t convince other people that it is the truth unless my arguments are strong and they are willing to listen to them. Justification is a way of proving that your belief is reasonable, and truth, at least as far as beliefs, can have many different points of view. When we are taught a new idea or presented with an argument, we only account it to be true if we have enough evidence to make us accept it. Without justification, no truth can be verified. However, beliefs such as religion can’t be justified or proven, so believing in it depends, once more, in one’s opinions and ideas. I think that in beliefs, truth is not as important as justification, because if an idea can’t provide enough support, it will not be accounted for as the truth, and so the belief will not be accepted.
We all need to believe in something and we behave according to the strength behind the justifications we have for believing in x. Is not that I care having a justification for believing in X, it's that I need it. I don't care if X is true, it's just there to keep me alive. It all depends on how we all choose to see the world. I've been watching kids die, and seeing good people suffer for 24 years, and if I COULDN'T believe that there was a bigger plan for all of us behind all this suffering we see in a daily basis, I wouldn't be able to show up tomorrow for class or to kiss my mother for that matter. So yes.... I BELIEVE IN GOD. His or hers or w/e it is his presence is need it in my everyday life to believe there is hope. "Hope is an illusion created by man with power" (whoever said that....) even though it has a degree of truth...... I choose not to see it that way, I need it to wake up in the morning.
I believe in order for "x" to exist justification has to be present. If not, how can "x" be an important factor in someones life? In relationships if justification isnt present than there is nothing for the relationships to be based upon. For example, Relationships; many people date someone because there is something about the other in which they like. Even relationships between friends. If i had nothing in common with someone and disliked them as a person there is no way we can possibly become friends. I believe that everything in someones life has justification and a reason. People usually just do or dont do things just because..
Say that I believe that family comes second to religion. I would obviously care if I have a justification for it because it's something that I feel strongly about. I have to have good reasoning and provide a strong argument, especially for people who don't agree with me. My belief that family comes second to religion is opinion based (it can't be categorized as true or false)so in my eyes, I would see "x" to be true and I can argue it because of my justification. There are some situations where people don't care if their belief has any justification or truth. For example, after watching a scary movie, when I go to sleep I make sure that my body isn't hanging over the side of the bed because I don't want anything to grab me. In this case, my actions show that I believe that there is a such thing as monsters (x), though I have no justifications. I also know that "x" is not true, yet I don't care because I continue doing this.
I believe humans to be very complex individuals that often, if not always, are contradicting themselves. Somewhere in this contradiction, there is balance, the yin and the yang. One cannot exist without the other; it is very ironic how these opposing forces are interconnected all throughout the Earth. I, being human, I am also like this. For instance, there is a scientist inside of me yearning to discover and explain, to find answers with exact justification. In order to find truth through investigation with very precise numbers. For instance, I’m a psychology major, and if I was doing an experiment in the causes of sexual aggression, and I believed that an X factor causes men to become sexually aggressive, then I ought to have an explanation and a justification. It wouldn’t be just important, it would have to be necessary in order for my investigation to triumph. In opposition to this, I am a dreamer and a person guided by what my heart ells me, following my intuition. (You told us not to include religion, so I won’t). I used to think pragmatic truth was bs, but now I see that we need this truth in order to believe in something. Humans need to believe in something in order to make sense of it all. WE are rational creatures (well at least most of us) and we need reasons in order to give it a meaning to our lives. Sometimes I don’t believe reasons or justifications, I just need something to be true, I just need to believe in it and have faith in it.
I believe that the earth is not flat. A justification seems to be intended more for other people than for oneself, an argument with which to argue one’s point with another. Still, it is important to justify a belief to oneself, and so I care if I have a justification for my belief. While a justification may be nice thing to have, I do not believe that a justification is necessary for a belief because I can look at a red or blue wall and believe that it is blue, regardless of whether or not it is, without a justification for doing so. With the “x” in this example, I believe that a justification would be important to have because it would probably not be best for people to run around believing in things like blue walls willy-nilly. However, if there was no justification it would be quite all right because a person could easily live a “normal, happy” life believing in a roundish earth with a reason for doing so. I do care if my belief is true, because everything I know might be an illusion and if a round earth is false, then I would very much like to know what the truth is.
If "X" is important to me, it is my duty to justify why. I can't just say I believe in something and not have an argument to justify it (It would be like having an essay without a body).In order for a belief to form in my mind, I must have thought about the reasons why I believed it. Take abortion for example. In today’s society abortion is common but is it safe? It can prevent a woman from being pregnant again, give her depression (suicide thoughts) and could make her regret this decision her whole life. I believe she should take responsibility for her actions but of course people love to take the easy way out. In the end, the chances of our beliefs being true can be slim, especially since scientist can’t tell us karma or reincarnation exists. We all belief in different things and we always want to be right, which means we all want our important beliefs to be true.
A.T: Well T... i don't believe in a white dude with curly hair and a goatee. I simply call God that faith, hope or guidance that i need. I understand what you mean but that's just how i feel. Most of the times how we feel is linked to our experiences.... Anyhow, was nice of you to comment:) thank you and i hope i didn't sound rude at answering back.
It is human nature to second guess the ideas streaming through our conscious minds from the external. However, as humans we thrive on our hopes and beliefs- that is why we fall asleep every night with the prospect of tomorrow. Ofcourse, a belief is not merely a passing idea. A belief is something we already have a valid justification for believing. I question everything I read and hear to some degree (as it is natural). Since i also believe that something in question cannot be a belief, nothing is truly believed until it has been proven. Sure, you can believe something if it is not true, but belief is so vital to our nature that the process of believing is so much more enriching than deeming them as true. Our beliefs are our only certainty, so they have to be true to us. Whether they are logically and universally true is another matter of much less importance.
I believe that in life we need to have justification for everything. With justification we are lead to believe whether something is bad or good. Justifying something is basically like proving that what you believe is true. I do care if is true, because I will guide myself by that justification and even set my ideas by that.You said not to mention religion and I won't talk about religion but i just want to say that religion is seen in different way by everyone and for that reason religion is not involved with justification. Everyone has different opinion towards religion, even if religion is justify in a good way or bad. The ideas are different in everyone life, even tough we believe in the same god, everyone doesn’t think the same. But, in every other thing justification is need in order for us to believe something. For example, if I say that the best cell phone brand is Nokia, my justification will be that it has more programs, more applications, good games, the ring tone are nice, the battery last and more. Justifying the cell phone brand is like proven people the reason why I say Nokia the best cell phone brand. Justification has to do with alot of things in our lives.
If i truely believe in a partiular item,thing,person, and or someone i dont really need to be prove to be justified. lets I say believe in someones talent for example singing and i know they could sing their lungs out. Then I dont need justification that they are good. Another reasonible example that i can think of is the lottery. Iamgine that i always play and never win the lottery but i truely believe in that one day i will become the person on the television screaming "i won i won", well you have faith in thoses chances so then you dont need justication even though you know the odds of winning is unlikely but your belief is that you will win..by Shawn Weil phi2010 mwf, 9am
I need to have a justification to all of my beliefs because that is why they are important to me; the stronger my justifications, the more important my beliefs are. I don’t care if my justifications are not valid to others if not all, because everybody is entitled to their own perspectives AND own beliefs. I also don’t care if my beliefs are defined as true or not because at the end of the day if I believe in them so deeply is based upon MY own personal experiences and try-outs in life. And they would first and foremost, be something I would apply to MY life without the necessity of convincing others to belief the same; beliefs are based upon a “self-centered” state of mind, even when they regard humanitarian traits. For example, I believe that all military personnel (active and inactive) should attend to a psychologist on a regular basis. Why? Because from what I know and have gathered from such characters in my experience, is that even boot camp yet along enlisting in the military is mentally challenging. Some people are strong minded others are not, so why not prevent any damages and get coaching on how to deal with such challenging factors that being part of the military has?
Our beliefs are our only certainty, so they have to be true to us. Whether they are logically and universally true is another matter of much less importance.
Don't know Martin. Suppose Paul believes that female-sex-slavery is a great way to make money. He imports them from Eastern Europe into the streets of Barcelona. This is his belief. It's true to him. Is that it? Is this all we should aspire to?
I believe the British Empire was one of the greatest empires in the history of our fair planet. I truly care if I have a justification for that, because when I am questioned I enjoy having a certain amount of back-up for my claim. I can justify my belief because for centuries the British Empire ruled the seas with the destruction of the Spanish Armada. It had colonies all across the planet and was even given the quote “The Sun will never set on the British Empire.” I do care if my belief is true because this is the lineage I am from and their history is important to me.
All my beliefs need to have justifications. If I believe in something I need to be able to justify why I believe in it, in other words I need to be able to argue on why I believe in it. Not everyone has to agree with my beliefs, but if I believe in something I should be able to justify that belief. For example I believe in stem cell research because it can dramatically change the way we treat and or cure many human diseases.
Hello Prof. Triff umm... I was wondering if there's something wrong with my post, since I didn't get feedback on it, like some of the others. If there's anything I cab do to fix it or it's inadequate please let me know. Thanks with sincerity, Marion Sanchez. :)
....“It is not disbelief that is dangerous to our society; it is belief”. George Bernard Shaw(Irish literary Critic, Playwright and Essayist. 1925 Nobel Prize for Literature, 1856-1950)
This great quote written by Mr.George B. Shaw expresses my exact same thoughts about true belief. We live in a world where the media has endless power over the average population, so whatever is said at Channel 7 News, CNN or Fox News is believed to be true without any questioning or hesitation. I consider myself part of an elite of the population that has access to education and is being thought on how to think, analyze and discuss information before believing in it. Therefore to me, knowlegde is justified true belief based on reliable evidence. Skepticism plays a major role when acquiring knowledge. It is about time people stop being brainwashed by their sources of information and instead of believing in everything they see or hear at first sight, they think, analyze and search for evidences before turning any information into knowledge.
I think having justification for your beliefs is very important and necessary, without any evidence or factual proof, how can you really believe in something? Whether or not people agree with your beliefs is a different story, but with justification backing you up, it makes your point more reasonable to someone looking in from the outside. For example, I believe abortion is murder. I can justify this by stating that I believe a woman is “choosing” to terminate and end a life through this process. Although there is controversy over whether “human life” begins at conception or birth there is no denying that there is a person growing inside of you, developing, and forming beginning when the egg and sperm join and woman just destroy that through a horrific process called abortion. I also don’t think that my belief has to be based on religion or faith I just believe that morally, abortion is wrong and unfair based on the evidence provided above. I most certainly care if I have justification for my belief because you have beliefs based on thoughts/things you assume to be true and depending on your passion for the belief you want to have an argument to hold onto to justify your point. I also do care if my belief is true, I feel like why would someone ever believe in something that isn’t true? It’s like saying, “Yes, I believe in Santa Claus”. That is just an absurd idea being that everyone knows that Santa Claus does not exist.
Addictions. Difficult to justify that it’s not a bad thing to be going through but also a challenge to let go of an addiction for the amount of pleasure gained. Gaming has been such a huge part of my life that it’s difficult to let it go. I’m aware that I am addicted, I am aware that it’s not good for me, psychologically, socially, emotionally, physically but yet I continue. I can’t justify that what I do is right or is “ok” to do, I can give examples of my interactions with ‘friends’ online or the amount of reading I do and materials that I learn from others, yet it’s not real life. I try to justify but I’m more than aware that it’s a losing battle. Do I care that it’s wrong? Yes I do. Do I do something about it? Yes I do, but not enough to make a difference. I thank myself for not getting myself involved in drugs or even alcohol that I consumed for about 4years and still do occasionally. I fear with the addictive personality that I have, I can get myself into such a huge mess. I sympathize up to a very low point with what addictive people are going through, I call them out for not being strong enough. I’m a hypocrite by that point though.
Euthanasia? Simple way to put it is, it’s their life. If they are going through so much suffering, physical, emotional, psychological, why force them to stay alive? Put yourself in their situation for years, and see how you struggle. The thing is though, perhaps you’ll be stronger or wiser and able to keep yourself from digging your grave. We’re born into this world, we’re put through challenges and we’ll be taken through them, but are you strong enough to survive. Do I care if I have a justification for it? Well yeah, because there’s a lot of people out there that are so focused on their own greed and selfishness. Why should they care if they want to keep you alive? The person is begging to be allowed to die, let them. Not to long ago, a man was finally allowed to die. He stated states of being where he couldn’t even blow his nose, clean himself, wipe the tears from his eyes. He was a quadriplegic. Do I care if it’s true? Yes and No. I care for it to be true so people pay more attention. No I don’t care if it’s true as I only care to justify it so that people start being open minded and accepting these other realities.
I believe that stem cell research is not a bad thing, i can justify this belief but I can’t convince other people that it is right or wrong unless my points are strong and they are willing to listen to them. The ways i would be able to justifly this is the cures that have found with stem call researching like for example they found that it can cure or some ways to treat most harmful dieases in the world with this reaserch like sickel cell anemia,organ failure,spinal cord injury,Diabetes,heart disease,parkinson, alzheimer's disease and some other one's this research is not inforcing people to get abortion some people get abortion already for they wouldn't have to start a family while there young or give them a bad home see but if peolple where more opened minded it would be great because this cause would work but if one of these diseases were to happen to a love of theres they would have a total differnet mind state.
~Julian Cano~ I believe... beliefs do not need justification so long as one does not try to persuade another of said belief. According to a study by Kaori Araki of Waseda University, Japan self-talk and personal positive beliefs affect an athlete's performance. If a certain person believes he/she is the best at the craft that person performs in and that increases performance of said person then why does that belief need justification? Beliefs do not need justification, unless they are to influence another person's reality and even then who cares if another person is influenced by a false belief. False beliefs can be good or bad. True proven justified undefeated beliefs can also have good or bad consequences. If a person is benefiting from a false unjustified belief who is to say that person should not have said belief. That is my justification on my belief that beliefs do not need to be justified. ~Julian Cano~
I think this depends on how the question is read. Is this justification for one's self or when explaining to another why you believe in it. If it's for yourself, i really don't see how you can grow to believe something, without first seeing the reasons for which you would believe in it,however somewhat abstract they are. When it comes to explaining to another though, you won't be able to verbalize those abstractions and while this may work with some idea's(opinion on music/art/movie,spirituality,looks of another person),when it starts getting into the heavier area's like marijuana legalization, gay marriage, global warming, these are things< that if someone asks why you agree/disagree,you really can't just say,"Because I do...",. And when it comes to if it matters if my beliefes(x) is true,well i really can't seem to think of many things that believe in( at least the ones close to their hearts) could ever be classified as true or wrong. Now the line between belief and opinion is rather blurred, somewhat lost in the distance... Ryan Carney MWF 9:00
I strongly believed in the Iraqi war. Justifications? I had plenty, but the most important one was that the Iraqi government was developing weapons of mass destruction and Saddam Hussein was linked to Al-Qaeda. Unfortunately , I was not the only one been brainwashed, in 2003 the congress agree to go to war waving the justifications “given” as a flag of what was true. Did anybody double check? Did anybody came up with the “what if” question? Did anybody care if (X) or (Y) were true? No, we (including me) where blinded by the need for revenge. Well happens to be that most of the justifications were false. Upps!!!! We believed in Mrs. Grabit and our arguments were totally defeated. But this is not a simple case in a book this is war and there are people dying on both sides. Governments should care and must care if (x) is true.
I think having justification for your beliefs is very important and necessary, without any evidence or factual proof, how can you really believe in something?
Not bad, Krysten.
Augusto, brave comment.
I believe... beliefs do not need justification so long as one does not try to persuade another of said belief.
I guess that's the case with innocuous beliefs, such as "Aliens built the pyramids," but when it comes to deeper stuff like "latinos are inferior to white Anglos," I think even if you wouldn't try to convince me of your opinions, that belief may present a problem, say, if you are an Anglo manager for a company with latinos working under your supervision. Don't you think?
If something is important to someone but to others it may not have justification. For example I strongly believe in the right for homosexuals to be allowed to marry. It is important to me and I find justification for it. Everyone has there right to marry who they want. But to some people they believe that it is wrong for homosexuals to marry. Just like with your example of the pimp that is dealing girls. It is important to him but wrong for other people. He is morally incorrect but when it comes down to gay marriage who is to say that it is wrong and morally incorrect?
Funny to read comment after comment about stuff that others expect you to write cause its "right." I felt like fixing my post which is the second from the top but after reading everyone's comments..... felt like i am suppose to write something when i really don't feel that way. I will continue to hold the justifications of my claim first, and secondly the claim itself because for SPECIFICALLY the belief i mentioned in my post is how i feel and it still doesn't matter if it's true or not. It doesn't MEAN THAT I FEEL THAT WAY about everything else^^. This may sound wrong and controversial but maybe if i can explain a lill better... I wrote on my post about believing in something that gives me hope & energy to wake up.... who is anyone to TELL ME that i am wrong by doing so, maybe if that person approached me and told me that there are other ways of being happy or ways more accurate of finding hope... then i would gladly listen. I am nobody and what i say is based on the VERY SMALL amount of knowledge i have. People should feel free to belief in whatever makes them happy and be able to carry those beliefs out as they please AS LONG AS THEY ARE WITHIN MORALITY, otherwise we end up with an open and free society and we need to have rules and regulatioons and KNOW that there is such thing as WRONG. Morality is very important and there are things that are just plain wrong whether you believe in it or not.... Wrong is simply WRONG.
At Triff: Sir... you are 100% correct when you spoke about faith not fixing the world, that knowledge its what can and will (one can only hope,) free us from all this suffering. I could add though that people are free to believe whatever they want and is up to the rest around them to educate them, to guide them, and teach them the truth about and behind what they believe so tomorrow their expectations and what they get from what they believe can be a lill more accurate.
A good example is World Pollution. Big countries are trying to fix and solve everything but in the process..... they are telling the lill people they cant cut down trees, they cant BASICALLY DO what they DID... which is what got them rich in the first place. I wouldn't say rich but ALOT of profit. INSTEAD, they should guide them, they should educate them, they should PROVIDE..... PROVIDE the lill people with the tools to achieve those goods they so badly need without hurting the planet any further. Provide them with the knowledge we have gained through the many mistakes we have made.
I want to finally add that if you want to have an easier time in life or any place for that matter, then you "should" have justifications for believing in something a you will live better, expect more and be closer to the truth. I feel differently in only one aspect as i mentioned in my post which is religion..... but that's it.... Anyhow, i expect some comments back, its kinda quiet here and is no fun if we don't argue (in a good way) Peace out.
OK, I'm sorry. I swear I'm not a problematic person but when I don't agree I MUST open my big mouth.I know I am no one to judge. But I believe I have the right of doubt.
"People should feel free to belief in whatever makes them happy and be able to carry those beliefs out as they please AS LONG AS THEY ARE WITHIN MORALITY..."
OK who chooses morality? Some things can be wrong and legal, while others can be just and illegal. So basically I can do anything I want like walk around in US 1 because it makes me feel free and alive and feel the rush of life. This, I believe would conflict with others, cause accidents? be illegal, but it's not immoral because I'm doing something that makes me happy... Every single action we do affects someone else.
"people are free to believe whatever they want and is up to the rest around them to educate them, to guide them, and teach them the truth about and behind what they believe so tomorrow their expectations and what they get from what they believe can be a lill more accurate."
Ummm... this seems a little contradictory. OK as a society we have rights and oblogations but then if "people" as you say, have to be educated by the rest around them, who is going to educate these "rest around them." Also, if they are free to think whatever they want, why would we want to convince them otherwise? With all due respect,
to Marion S: Who is going to decide what is morality? We do...... in fact... i think we have all ready done that since man can remember and they are called LAWS and REGULATIONS we most go by every day. DEFINITION OF MORALITY: 1. The quality of being in accord with standards of right or good conduct. 2. A system of ideas of right and wrong conduct: religious morality; Christian morality. 3. Virtuous conduct. 4. A rule or lesson in moral conduct.
Who is going to educate those around us and who or why would we even try to convince people into believing something different from what they believe? Well.... if you have such amount of knowledge over someone or a group and you can prove to them that their beliefs are not accurate at all, and you know proving them will improve the quality of life and their expectations..... WHY not try to get them to understand, better yet... why not help them understand the truth? why would you even ask the question as to "who is going to educate others, and why would we want to change people's beliefs....." It's our obligation as a society to do so...... its our obligation as a society to make sure that we do the right thing. We my friend, we decide all these things.
To Marvis: Precisely, that is not my belief. I quoted directly from your post. My point was to tell you that you were contradicting yourself. AnI quote, "...people are free to believe whatever they want.." Not all laws are moral, and not all of morality is legal. "People should feel free to belief in whatever makes them happy and be able to carry those beliefs out as they please AS LONG AS THEY ARE WITHIN MORALITY" Is it okay to ignore "immoral" laws? If yes, how is the immorality of the law decided? By whom? For example,my Christian morality might not be in accordance with your Muslim morality.
According to philosophy, knowledge is a justified true belief. If I were to believe in “X” I would want to have a justification for it because it is more than just a guess, it is more like a guarantee that what I believe in is true and truth is fact. So that answers the second question, yes I would care if “X” is true. Some people just believe in something of their own just because they said so, but it does not work like that, there has to be evidence to what you believe in for it to be more accurate and maybe another person can also believe in it too. People have good or bad beliefs, depending on their morals and how strongly they feel about their belief. They might not change their point of view, but I strongly presume that others have the ability to change another person’s perception on a belief by giving reasonable arguments and points to make that person think and pause and really think of someone else’s thoughts and justifications (that’s why it’s crucial to be open to others thoughts and compare the ideas so there would not be a huge problem which usually happens). So I think that justified true belief is necessary in order to make sure that the belief is true and effective.
At Marion S: As a Society we have come to agree and live by a set amount of rules and i will tell you again that we US decide whats moral. You are going in a different direction though when you say some laws are not moral basically saying that the system is not perfect..... I think we all know that :) if you care then change it, in fact... that's why we vote.. that's why we have presidential elections as an example... that's why we as a society decide whats right and whats wrong...... I keep saying that you can believe whatever you want if it makes you happy as long as your beliefs are not wrong, are not causing others wrong.... your example of your Christian morality may not be in accordance to my Muslim morality? Ok so what, if you have a different view then have it... there is nothing wrong with that, who cares ....... have 40 different beliefs that are not like mine. All i can do if i know you are wrong is prove to you and show you that you are wrong, and show you the truth w/e it may be ( and i am saying this as an example)so tomorrow you get more accurate gains from your beliefs and your life wouldn't be harder by easier. who am i to tell you that, well, 1: there isn't anything wrong in improving someone's quality of life by showing them the truth. 2: why wouldn't i do so knowing you'll have an easier life..... Anyhow, there you go. hit me up with something else.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions or way of thinking. In order to believe in something it is vital, in my opinion, to have a justification for it. In other words, you must have a reason for believing in that idea or belief. An idea can be justified by a valuable source, past experiences, or judgment. For example, I believe that violence doesn’t cease problems but multiplies them. The reason for that is based on past experiences. Take for instance the war in Iraq or more recent the killing at Coral Gables Senior High. In addition, on must differentiate truth from false acquisitions. You cannot be gullible enough to believe everything you hear. You must be able to first examine and investigate beliefs to have true knowledge.
"I keep saying that you can believe whatever you want if it makes you happy as long as your beliefs are not wrong" So basically, I cannot have any belief I want, because my belief could be an erroneous one. I can have ANY belief I want, yet my belief has to be true. Is that what you are saying, Marvis?
At Marion S: Not at all my good friend^^. You can have any beliefs you want and carry them out as long as your not raping.... as long as you are not selling cocaine, as long as you are not a Priest and your having sex with lill boys, as long as you are not killing others in the process and why? well, there is such thing as WRONG.... simple as that, and as a society we have come to understand and agree what wrong is and what things are wrong and our beliefs have adapted around those rules or you may call it idk.. morality ^^
If you don't know what just simple wrong means then we have a lot of work to do. I would gladly help by showing you "guiding you" into what wrong is :)
Listen... I think I have a good sense of bad and wrong. Thanks for the offer, but I'll pass :) Anyhow, I just wanted to show you how you contradict yourself and how you can never judge anything without investigsating. I'm sorry to let you know that I KNOW for a fact that morality can have its gray areas. Crimes are often justified. But we have deviated from the point in such a measure, that I doubt we can find our way back.
I want to know where Triff's at...... I know sir that you most be like "what is Marion and Marvis talking about".... lol. well, waiting to hear from you!!!!! not fun if you don't talk about us.
Lately I've been looking for anything that's an alternative to the day to day routine and TV propaganda. There are so many problems in the world its hard to start thinking about one without it being connected to another. I feel that things are all wrong. For instance the other day in class you were having such a hard time trying to justify that a moral way to make a living is correct and the alternative is just plain wrong. Of course having justification is necessary that's what makes something right and stand for itself. I believe its this pop media mentality that has gotten this country so deep into an economic depression. All you see is shows about people with big houses and nice cars and how much money they have. And all this materialism is just pointless greed that leads to people getting conned into houses they cant afford and so forth. People need to realize that it's not important to fit in and buy everything. People need to be thankful for what they can have instead of owing and getting into debts for what they cant afford. In the end, this lifestyle of "having what you can't" give us less security and more headache.
At william sanchez: I like you're comment. Has a lot of truth in it, specially with all the brainwashing linked with the media and what we are suppose to have leading people into making many mistakes/assumptions.
I think having justification for your beliefs is not necessary. You don’t have to have hard evidence to believe in it. There are many factors the can prove or disprove a theory. I don’t necessarily have to justify my reasons. I don’t believe in the death penalty, but I don’t have to provide evidence why I don’t. I don’t believe that anyone should takes some one life not matter the crime committed, I think if a person committed a serious crime they should live the remainder of their life in jail. I don’t have to provide evidence to why I see it that way.
Your statements are very broad. You state that if you believe in X, you don't need a justification.
I agree with you there.
But then you start bringing in actual situations that actually need justifications. Else, to me, it sounds as if your arrogant or ignorant.
You say "I don’t believe in the death penalty, but I don’t have to provide evidence why I don’t."
Let's say EVERYONE in the NATION thought this way. Then there wouldn't be any laws against the Death Penalty. Situations can become so serious that if you steal a candy bar, you will get the death penalty.
Now to you and me, that sounds absurd...right? Why? Because a candy bar doesn't equal to the life of a person. That's a belief.
But if we take what you just stated, that we don't have to provide evidence. Then it becomes a messed up system. Because anyone in power can make a law without justification and everyone would be forced to follow it.
We can also take it the other way around. Say someone seriously injured a pregnant woman with a hammer. We believe that he should go to jail for the remainder of his life. I know i would. I need to justify that belief and persuade or convince everyone why MY belief is right. Because if not, anyone amoral would let the person go.
Like I said, your statements are very broad. When the situation is based on the self, like religion or abortion, those may not need to be justified. But other beliefs need to be justified, so that people can agree on what is the right thing to do. The right thing of course, is based on what the majority of the people decide, though it's not always morally right.
In this world, there is not a single person that can say that they dont have any beliefs, therefore we cannot live without them. We nvr care about our beliefs being true or not, but we still defend them against anybody that might think different from us. If I believe that something is important to me I will defend it because keeping the belief is a lot easier than changing everything I once believed to be true. It happens to all of us because we all have our own concept of how everything is and we wouldnt want to give that up for nothing. If its important to me in any way, significant or not, I would rather keep it than get rid of it.
One belief that I feel strongly about is abortion. I believe that abortion is wrong and many people may not agree with that. And that’s okay if you don’t. Everything that I believe in I have a justified argument to back up my belief. I have reasons and thoughts about my beliefs mostly every day. For instance, if a woman becomes pregnant and she thinks that it’s not the right time, it’s a mistake or whatever her reason could be for not having that baby, the first thought that comes to mind abortion. Most women don’t know what an abortion can do to them. A woman may never have the opportunity to conceive again, she could become depressed, and in the end she might regret having the abortion once it’s all said and done. Women who have been raped and find out that they are pregnant like to make the rape their justification for having an abortion. Even though rape and turning up pregnant could be the worst thing for a woman, a child is more of a blessing than a curse. Abortion is not always the answer. Instead of aborting you could always put the child up for adoption or the child could be turned over social services. Everyone believes in something. Even if it’s not a universal belief, it’s your belief and no one should ever be able to take that away from you.
Hey Balandrea, I'd like to add some additional info, more on the realistic side of giving a child to social services.
Social Services has good intentions, right? Right. But while they have good intentions, their plan doesn't always go as followed. There are thousands of kids that are put up for adoption or under these homes that take care of them. Across the nation. The problem though is that there are so many kids in a single place, it's very difficult for a single organization with limited staff to take care of them.
For this, a large portion of children lack socializing with other humans(even children). A lot become isolated, a lot don't interact and this causes SEVERE damage to a child in the developing process that could permanently damage them.
In one study of children from a Romanian orphanage to adoptive families in Great Britain, children were said to be impaired in all aspects of development. Their physical make up was altered, their ability to think/reason was also deeply affected for children adopted at 6months of age. The longer it took them to get adopted the bigger the consequences. Their brain couldn't handle stress as a "normal" child of that age should affecting their physical and emotional health.
Now this study was done back in 2000, it could have changed but knowing a lot of people out there who have a lot to do as it is. It is probably difficult to manage hundreds of kids in one facility.
Am I against abortion? Yes and No. But We can talk it out some other time if you'd like. But there are additional consequences that a lot of people don't take into consideration.
The all round best solution is to get neutered or spayed!
If I believe that “x” is important to me, then of course I would care to have justification for it. And those justifications can be given to those who want to hear them. However, just because I care about having justifications for this belief, I would not care if “x” was true. In my eyes “x” is true but for someone else “x” can be false and as long as they have a justification for it being false, then I am willing to listen. As a result, my “x” does not have to be true but it must have a justification. For instance, I believe that abortion should be legal, but it should only be used for emergency ( rape, protection failed). I believe everyone should be given the choice, but their should be morals to go by. However, this belief “x” is true to me but if you ask someone who’s conservative, extremely religious, etc they might disagree with me and as long as they have justification for it, they can be just as right as me.
I'm sorry Augusto, but I couldn't disagree more on your statement..."The right thing of course, is based on what the majority of the people decide...??? So, what you are trying to say is that the majority is always right? Where????How???When??? Masses are easily manipulated especially nowadays with the major role the media plays in most people's lives. A good counterexample to your theory would be: what about the elections???? So, what you were saying was that because the majority agreed/chose an X candidate, he all of sudden becomes "the right" thing? I don't think so. Were you happy with our past president? Yet, the majority chose him. So, does that make it right? Masses can make extremely poor choices and not make the right decisions....Just think about it.
I see where your coming from Flavie and I would disagree if I had said that.
The whole quote was "The right thing of course, is based on what the majority of the people decide, though it's not always morally right."
"Though it's not always morally right" nor is it always the right decision.
The way I ended with my reply was to say that the majority [sadly] always end up choosing what is "best" for the group/country/city. Though... It's not always the best decision, but it's the decision that the majority of the people "think" would be best.
No I don't support our last president. I couldn't vote but I sure as hell did try to persuade others to vote against him.
The whole point of that statement towards Cha Cha 17 was to say that certain beliefs do need to be justified. So that people are convinced on what would be the 'best' choice to make. I paused and added, "The right thing of course, is based on what the majority of the people decide"
And that...is not always the best answer/choice/method. I put morally right because we were talking about morals and beliefs.
I'm more than aware that masses have made and can make the poorer choices. That's why it's so difficult to get people to work together towards Global Warming, Taking Care of trees and not cutting them down, invest more in solar panels to produce electricity vs petroleum, focus less on war more on education. And this isn't even factoring in the power houses that have total control due to their large amount of wealth, neglecting the opinions of others.
I have always wondered why people use expressions such as “seeing is believing,” or the most commonly used “everything happens for a reason.” Some of us try to justify our own convictions or beliefs either by evidential means or with as little evidence as a catchy saying. Personally,I do think our own beliefs should be justifiable and for one simple reason -it’s reassuring. In my opinion, “when in doubt, continue to doubt” (my own personal saying), how can one stick to a belief without having had a slightness of hesitation in the first place? Ironically yet rationally speaking, I become a skeptic before sticking to “X”. For example, when I first hear about a tragedy on the news, (without realizing) confirm it and discuss it amongst other people as if the news itself was not reliable enough. Because ever since I was young, I was told not to believe everything that I hear and not to trust everyone that comes my way. To stand up for something that has yet to be testified is not a wise choice, but since the facts are not always laid out in front of us, we must not become reluctant to different possibilities. These possibilities provide that not all truth will work in our favor. Truth will always remain nothing but truth. Therefore, I do care that my belief is justifiable, because then I’ll decide later whether I’ll want to continue believing in “X” or not.
In our everyday life we put our beliefs into test and we realize whether that belief is superior to our life or appalling. Into taking that point into mind I believe in order to take a belief into account I need to have enough reasonable justification why to believe in it. In other words, have strong evidence or personal experience to back up ones justification in what this belief means to one. For example, is Violence (such as verbal, physical or mentally) the solution to ones problem? No. Not at all. I see this belief put into test everyday when watching the news and seeing someone’s life terminated. My justification into believing that violence is not the solution to our problems is there are other ways to solve a problem and violence is not one of them
However, just because I care about having justifications for this belief, I would not care if “x” was true. In my eyes “x” is true but for someone else “x” can be false and as long as they have a justification for it being false, then I am willing to listen. As a result, my “x” does not have to be true but it must have a justification.
Suppose I believe “X” and “X” is important because as a belief it influences my behavior, than yes, I would want justification for my belief. Let’s say I believe in the “John F. Kennedy Assassination Conspiracy Theories” and when asked why I respond with “that’s just what I believe,” with no argument. To me to roam through life in this ignorant fashion, with no argument/justification and evidence for my belief is ridiculous. And for the question of whether or not I care if my belief is true: yes. I mean why even bother having a justification for a belief if that belief isn’t true?
My dear Augusto, On your reply to my comment you were EXTREMELY contradictory...Please re read what you just wrote: "The right thing of course, is based on what the majority of the people decide, though it's not always morally right.Though it's not always morally right nor is it always the right decision.... Augusto, if it is not morally right nor the right decision (I'm just using your OWN WORDS)...then what's the point???? Obviously it contradicts the beginning of your statement when you said that the right thing is based on what the majority decides....You just said that it is not always the decision....How can it be right and not right at the same time???? Did you learn about the LAW OF NONCONTRADICTION?!? You need to decide first if it is right or not right what the majority chooses and then we can carry on with our discussion.
In my opinion, beliefs are extremely important because they give us a sense of security and something to hold on to. They often constitute to who we are, how we behave, how the world perceives us and how we perceive ourselves. Beliefs also influence our decisions, now seeing how important they are and how they influence our daily lives. I do care that there is a justification for them. But how much justification is enough? I do care if “X” is true, but how much of it is true? How much can remain fuzzy? In some situations some things are true but not wholly true. I feel that there is room for compromise. There may not be a lot of room but indeed there is room.
I want to keep my response short. I wrote a 600 word response but I thought it was not right to do that to you. That Say Professor Triff gives us 2 options on this test. (1)Either we take the test on Friday but with 40 more questions with chapter 5 included OR(2) we take it on Monday the way it is.
Now the class has a "vote". You and I vote for Monday. The other 30 Students vote for Friday. We are more than sure we have a better chance at passing the test on Monday. But now we HAVE to take it on Friday and EVERYONE FAILS. Our decision (Yours & Mine) was the "right" one. But the Mass felt the second option was better. They were wrong. But at THAT time, they thought it was their advantage.
Do you see how the mass thought they were right but were wrong in the end?
People’s beliefs Change. People influence other people. What you think is right at first, is not always the right answer. It can be but not guaranteed.
A large group of people are needed to make a decision, but if everyone doesn't know what is going on, then they can easily make the wrong decision.
I responded to Cha Cha on a Moral Basis. But even the morality of people is different. Some think that prostitution is fine, others are against it. But if 100 people think it’s fine and 10 think it's wrong. 100 People over rule 10 people and a new law is made in favor of prostitution.
What you are saying is the UNIVERSAL truth. I am talking about what actually happens and how it progresses. I have been saying that since the beginning.
PS: Sorry about long response..i can't help but making myself clear...
I believe that the immigration system in this country is broken. Whether it is not true,i believe so. I can justify this argument by facts. I might be wrong, but even though my argument is not true,i have strong facts to justify it. The immigration debate in this country has people divided whether undocumented immigrants should be legalize or not. Some believe that all undocumented individuals should get punished,but i think different. Undocumented immigrants should be given a chance to succeed, a chance to become better persons,a chance to get an education. I can keep on stating why they should be legalize. This system is broken,by the fact that there are 13,000,000 illegal immigrants in this country, hopeless. This is my argument and my justification for it.
I swear to God if I hear another comment about how abortion is a sin because blah blah... I am going to have a nervous break down and explode. * I wonder how many people know how difficult it is to rear a child, it is not a game playing with a baby doll. * Did you know there is a way tro tell before the child is born deaf, blind and stupid before the baby is born with 100 defects and never be able to fulfill a normal life. * Did you know the Foster care system sucks (in any given country.) * Do you realize females practice improper abortions that could risk the death of themselves? * It is called prochoice for a reason. It's an individual choice. * Life begins at birth. * Thousands of girls are raped and end up pregnant. * Unwanted children grow up with a number of psychological problems and poor self esteem. * You can NEVER judge a person, if you have not been in their shoes.
If I believe in something, I should definitely have a justification for it. A perfect example would be the topic of stem cell research. This topic may stir up emotions, and may cause many people to feel upset just thinking about this. I honestly believe that stem cell research is a great thing, to a certain extent. Of course, it is easy to see why some may disagree with this, but it is actually something that can really help many people. Those that disagree with stem cell research believe that it will change human nature. This is true, which is why I said that it is acceptable to a certain extent. I’m all for this topic because I believe that stem cell research can help cure some of those diseases and sicknesses that so many people are getting.
Believing in something is best when you can justify that belief. Being able to justify your belief just makes that belief that much stronger. The belief doesn't have to be true to be true to yourself. For example, I can try to convince others that believing in the death penalty is wrong. I believe in second chances,but that doesn't mean that there going to go along with it, they could have there own belief and an equally compelling justification for why the death penalty is a good choice for a criminals punishment. That being said, I do believe that being able to justify your belief is more important than the belief being true. In my case, I need some kind of justification for me to consider changing my beliefs or accepting another person's beliefs.
In our everyday life we put our beliefs into test and we realize whether that belief is superior to our life or appalling. Into taking that point into mind I believe in order to take a belief into account I need to have enough reasonable justification why to believe in it. In other words, have strong evidence or personal experience to back up ones justification in what this belief means to one. For example, is Violence (such as verbal, physical or mentally) the solution to ones problem? No. Not at all. I see this belief put into test everyday when watching the news and seeing someone’s life terminated. My justification into believing that violence is not the solution to our problems is there are other ways to solve a problem and violence is not one of them. In Conclusion, Justification plays a good roll in our life, because we live with what we belief whether is a true belief or not.
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If I believe that soccer is the best sport in the world, I can certainly justify it, but I can’t convince other people that it is the truth unless my arguments are strong and they are willing to listen to them. Justification is a way of proving that your belief is reasonable, and truth, at least as far as beliefs, can have many different points of view. When we are taught a new idea or presented with an argument, we only account it to be true if we have enough evidence to make us accept it. Without justification, no truth can be verified. However, beliefs such as religion can’t be justified or proven, so believing in it depends, once more, in one’s opinions and ideas. I think that in beliefs, truth is not as important as justification, because if an idea can’t provide enough support, it will not be accounted for as the truth, and so the belief will not be accepted.
We all need to believe in something and we behave according to the strength behind the justifications we have for believing in x. Is not that I care having a justification for believing in X, it's that I need it. I don't care if X is true, it's just there to keep me alive. It all depends on how we all choose to see the world. I've been watching kids die, and seeing good people suffer for 24 years, and if I COULDN'T believe that there was a bigger plan for all of us behind all this suffering we see in a daily basis, I wouldn't be able to show up tomorrow for class or to kiss my mother for that matter. So yes.... I BELIEVE IN GOD. His or hers or w/e it is his presence is need it in my everyday life to believe there is hope. "Hope is an illusion created by man with power" (whoever said that....) even though it has a degree of truth...... I choose not to see it that way, I need it to wake up in the morning.
I believe in order for "x" to exist justification has to be present. If not, how can "x" be an important factor in someones life? In relationships if justification isnt present than there is nothing for the relationships to be based upon. For example, Relationships; many people date someone because there is something about the other in which they like. Even relationships between friends. If i had nothing in common with someone and disliked them as a person there is no way we can possibly become friends. I believe that everything in someones life has justification and a reason. People usually just do or dont do things just because..
Say that I believe that family comes second to religion. I would obviously care if I have a justification for it because it's something that I feel strongly about. I have to have good reasoning and provide a strong argument, especially for people who don't agree with me. My belief that family comes second to religion is opinion based (it can't be categorized as true or false)so in my eyes, I would see "x" to be true and I can argue it because of my justification.
There are some situations where people don't care if their belief has any justification or truth. For example, after watching a scary movie, when I go to sleep I make sure that my body isn't hanging over the side of the bed because I don't want anything to grab me. In this case, my actions show that I believe that there is a such thing as monsters (x), though I have no justifications. I also know that "x" is not true, yet I don't care because I continue doing this.
SAYS AMIE ARMBRISTER
I choose not to see it that way, I need it to wake up in the morning.
Marvis: So the idea is this: the world sucks and the best way to cope is to believe in God? Ask yourself: Is that the best reason to believe?
Is believing enough?
I believe humans to be very complex individuals that often, if not always, are contradicting themselves. Somewhere in this contradiction, there is balance, the yin and the yang. One cannot exist without the other; it is very ironic how these opposing forces are interconnected all throughout the Earth. I, being human, I am also like this. For instance, there is a scientist inside of me yearning to discover and explain, to find answers with exact justification. In order to find truth through investigation with very precise numbers. For instance, I’m a psychology major, and if I was doing an experiment in the causes of sexual aggression, and I believed that an X factor causes men to become sexually aggressive, then I ought to have an explanation and a justification. It wouldn’t be just important, it would have to be necessary in order for my investigation to triumph. In opposition to this, I am a dreamer and a person guided by what my heart ells me, following my intuition. (You told us not to include religion, so I won’t). I used to think pragmatic truth was bs, but now I see that we need this truth in order to believe in something. Humans need to believe in something in order to make sense of it all. WE are rational creatures (well at least most of us) and we need reasons in order to give it a meaning to our lives. Sometimes I don’t believe reasons or justifications, I just need something to be true, I just need to believe in it and have faith in it.
Marion G. Sanchez :)
I believe that the earth is not flat. A justification seems to be intended more for other people than for oneself, an argument with which to argue one’s point with another. Still, it is important to justify a belief to oneself, and so I care if I have a justification for my belief. While a justification may be nice thing to have, I do not believe that a justification is necessary for a belief because I can look at a red or blue wall and believe that it is blue, regardless of whether or not it is, without a justification for doing so. With the “x” in this example, I believe that a justification would be important to have because it would probably not be best for people to run around believing in things like blue walls willy-nilly. However, if there was no justification it would be quite all right because a person could easily live a “normal, happy” life believing in a roundish earth with a reason for doing so. I do care if my belief is true, because everything I know might be an illusion and if a round earth is false, then I would very much like to know what the truth is.
Maria Zilberman
If "X" is important to me, it is my duty to justify why. I can't just say I believe in something and not have an argument to justify it (It would be like having an essay without a body).In order for a belief to form in my mind, I must have thought about the reasons why I believed it. Take abortion for example. In today’s society abortion is common but is it safe? It can prevent a woman from being pregnant again, give her depression (suicide thoughts) and could make her regret this decision her whole life. I believe she should take responsibility for her actions but of course people love to take the easy way out.
In the end, the chances of our beliefs being true can be slim, especially since scientist can’t tell us karma or reincarnation exists. We all belief in different things and we always want to be right, which means we all want our important beliefs to be true.
A.T: Well T... i don't believe in a white dude with curly hair and a goatee. I simply call God that faith, hope or guidance that i need. I understand what you mean but that's just how i feel. Most of the times how we feel is linked to our experiences.... Anyhow, was nice of you to comment:) thank you and i hope i didn't sound rude at answering back.
You haven't being rude at all, Marvis. I'm playing my part, being difficult and honing your skills. This is a first assignment.
(Michelle Martin)
It is human nature to second guess the ideas streaming through our conscious minds from the external. However, as humans we thrive on our hopes and beliefs- that is why we fall asleep every night with the prospect of tomorrow. Ofcourse, a belief is not merely a passing idea. A belief is something we already have a valid justification for believing. I question everything I read and hear to some degree (as it is natural). Since i also believe that something in question cannot be a belief, nothing is truly believed until it has been proven. Sure, you can believe something if it is not true, but belief is so vital to our nature that the process of believing is so much more enriching than deeming them as true. Our beliefs are our only certainty, so they have to be true to us. Whether they are logically and universally true is another matter of much less importance.
I believe that in life we need to have justification for everything. With justification we are lead to believe whether something is bad or good. Justifying something is basically like proving that what you believe is true. I do care if is true, because I will guide myself by that justification and even set my ideas by that.You said not to mention religion and I won't talk about religion but i just want to say that religion is seen in different way by everyone and for that reason religion is not involved with justification. Everyone has different opinion towards religion, even if religion is justify in a good way or bad. The ideas are different in everyone life, even tough we believe in the same god, everyone doesn’t think the same. But, in every other thing justification is need in order for us to believe something. For example, if I say that the best cell phone brand is Nokia, my justification will be that it has more programs, more applications, good games, the ring tone are nice, the battery last and more. Justifying the cell phone brand is like proven people the reason why I say Nokia the best cell phone brand. Justification has to do with alot of things in our lives.
Brenda Chirino
If i truely believe in a partiular item,thing,person, and or someone i dont really need to be prove to be justified. lets I say believe in someones talent for example singing and i know they could sing their lungs out. Then I dont need justification that they are good. Another reasonible example that i can think of is the lottery. Iamgine that i always play and never win the lottery but i truely believe in that one day i will become the person on the television screaming "i won i won", well you have faith in thoses chances so then you dont need justication even though you know the odds of winning is unlikely but your belief is that you will win..by Shawn Weil phi2010 mwf, 9am
I need to have a justification to all of my beliefs because that is why they are important to me; the stronger my justifications, the more important my beliefs are. I don’t care if my justifications are not valid to others if not all, because everybody is entitled to their own perspectives AND own beliefs.
I also don’t care if my beliefs are defined as true or not because at the end of the day if I believe in them so deeply is based upon MY own personal experiences and try-outs in life. And they would first and foremost, be something I would apply to MY life without the necessity of convincing others to belief the same; beliefs are based upon a “self-centered” state of mind, even when they regard humanitarian traits. For example, I believe that all military personnel (active and inactive) should attend to a psychologist on a regular basis. Why? Because from what I know and have gathered from such characters in my experience, is that even boot camp yet along enlisting in the military is mentally challenging. Some people are strong minded others are not, so why not prevent any damages and get coaching on how to deal with such challenging factors that being part of the military has?
Our beliefs are our only certainty, so they have to be true to us. Whether they are logically and universally true is another matter of much less importance.
Don't know Martin. Suppose Paul believes that female-sex-slavery is a great way to make money. He imports them from Eastern Europe into the streets of Barcelona. This is his belief. It's true to him. Is that it? Is this all we should aspire to?
I believe the British Empire was one of the greatest empires in the history of our fair planet. I truly care if I have a justification for that, because when I am questioned I enjoy having a certain amount of back-up for my claim. I can justify my belief because for centuries the British Empire ruled the seas with the destruction of the Spanish Armada. It had colonies all across the planet and was even given the quote “The Sun will never set on the British Empire.” I do care if my belief is true because this is the lineage I am from and their history is important to me.
(Maria fernanda Salvoch)
All my beliefs need to have justifications. If I believe in something I need to be able to justify why I believe in it, in other words I need to be able to argue on why I believe in it. Not everyone has to agree with my beliefs, but if I believe in something I should be able to justify that belief. For example I believe in stem cell research because it can dramatically change the way we treat and or cure many human diseases.
Hello Prof. Triff
umm... I was wondering if there's something wrong with my post, since I didn't get feedback on it, like some of the others. If there's anything I cab do to fix it or it's inadequate please let me know.
Thanks with sincerity,
Marion Sanchez. :)
....“It is not disbelief that is dangerous to our society; it is belief”.
George Bernard Shaw(Irish literary Critic, Playwright and Essayist. 1925 Nobel Prize for Literature, 1856-1950)
This great quote written by Mr.George B. Shaw expresses my exact same thoughts about true belief. We live in a world where the media has endless power over the average population, so whatever is said at Channel 7 News, CNN or Fox News is believed to be true without any questioning or hesitation. I consider myself part of an elite of the population that has access to education and is being thought on how to think, analyze and discuss information before believing in it. Therefore to me, knowlegde is justified true belief based on reliable evidence. Skepticism plays a major role when acquiring knowledge. It is about time people stop being brainwashed by their sources of information and instead of believing in everything they see or hear at first sight, they think, analyze and search for evidences before turning any information into knowledge.
Professor Triff,
Please let me know your thoughts on my post.I hope it is relevant to our discussion.
Note:I post it on the 13.
Thanks,
Lissvett Vergara
It's cool. Marion. Actually I'm just more like steering the whole debate, not necessarily answering any particular comment.
I think having justification for your beliefs is very important and necessary, without any evidence or factual proof, how can you really believe in something? Whether or not people agree with your beliefs is a different story, but with justification backing you up, it makes your point more reasonable to someone looking in from the outside. For example, I believe abortion is murder. I can justify this by stating that I believe a woman is “choosing” to terminate and end a life through this process. Although there is controversy over whether “human life” begins at conception or birth there is no denying that there is a person growing inside of you, developing, and forming beginning when the egg and sperm join and woman just destroy that through a horrific process called abortion. I also don’t think that my belief has to be based on religion or faith I just believe that morally, abortion is wrong and unfair based on the evidence provided above. I most certainly care if I have justification for my belief because you have beliefs based on thoughts/things you assume to be true and depending on your passion for the belief you want to have an argument to hold onto to justify your point. I also do care if my belief is true, I feel like why would someone ever believe in something that isn’t true? It’s like saying, “Yes, I believe in Santa Claus”. That is just an absurd idea being that everyone knows that Santa Claus does not exist.
Kristen Suarez
Incoming walls of text: 2 Personal POV's
Addictions. Difficult to justify that it’s not a bad thing to be going through but also a challenge to let go of an addiction for the amount of pleasure gained. Gaming has been such a huge part of my life that it’s difficult to let it go. I’m aware that I am addicted, I am aware that it’s not good for me, psychologically, socially, emotionally, physically but yet I continue. I can’t justify that what I do is right or is “ok” to do, I can give examples of my interactions with ‘friends’ online or the amount of reading I do and materials that I learn from others, yet it’s not real life. I try to justify but I’m more than aware that it’s a losing battle. Do I care that it’s wrong? Yes I do. Do I do something about it? Yes I do, but not enough to make a difference. I thank myself for not getting myself involved in drugs or even alcohol that I consumed for about 4years and still do occasionally. I fear with the addictive personality that I have, I can get myself into such a huge mess. I sympathize up to a very low point with what addictive people are going through, I call them out for not being strong enough. I’m a hypocrite by that point though.
Euthanasia? Simple way to put it is, it’s their life. If they are going through so much suffering, physical, emotional, psychological, why force them to stay alive? Put yourself in their situation for years, and see how you struggle. The thing is though, perhaps you’ll be stronger or wiser and able to keep yourself from digging your grave. We’re born into this world, we’re put through challenges and we’ll be taken through them, but are you strong enough to survive. Do I care if I have a justification for it? Well yeah, because there’s a lot of people out there that are so focused on their own greed and selfishness. Why should they care if they want to keep you alive? The person is begging to be allowed to die, let them.
Not to long ago, a man was finally allowed to die. He stated states of being where he couldn’t even blow his nose, clean himself, wipe the tears from his eyes. He was a quadriplegic. Do I care if it’s true? Yes and No. I care for it to be true so people pay more attention. No I don’t care if it’s true as I only care to justify it so that people start being open minded and accepting these other realities.
I believe that stem cell research is not a bad thing, i can justify this belief but I can’t convince other people that it is right or wrong unless my points are strong and they are willing to listen to them. The ways i would be able to justifly this is the cures that have found with stem call researching like for example they found that it can cure or some ways to treat most harmful dieases in the world with this reaserch like sickel cell anemia,organ failure,spinal cord injury,Diabetes,heart disease,parkinson, alzheimer's disease and some other one's this research is not inforcing people to get abortion some people get abortion already for they wouldn't have to start a family while there young or give them a bad home see but if peolple where more opened minded it would be great because this cause would work but if one of these diseases were to happen to a love of theres they would have a total differnet mind state.
~Julian Cano~
I believe... beliefs do not need justification so long as one does not try to persuade another of said belief. According to a study by Kaori Araki of Waseda University, Japan self-talk and personal positive beliefs affect an athlete's performance. If a certain person believes he/she is the best at the craft that person performs in and that increases performance of said person then why does that belief need justification? Beliefs do not need justification, unless they are to influence another person's reality and even then who cares if another person is influenced by a false belief. False beliefs can be good or bad. True proven justified undefeated beliefs can also have good or bad consequences. If a person is benefiting from a false unjustified belief who is to say that person should not have said belief. That is my justification on my belief that beliefs do not need to be justified.
~Julian Cano~
I think this depends on how the question is read. Is this justification for one's self or when explaining to another why you believe in it. If it's for yourself, i really don't see how you can grow to believe something, without first seeing the reasons for which you would believe in it,however somewhat abstract they are. When it comes to explaining to another though, you won't be able to verbalize those abstractions and while this may work with some idea's(opinion on music/art/movie,spirituality,looks of another person),when it starts getting into the heavier area's like marijuana legalization, gay marriage, global warming, these are things< that if someone asks why you agree/disagree,you really can't just say,"Because I do...",. And when it comes to if it matters if my beliefes(x) is true,well i really can't seem to think of many things that believe in( at least the ones close to their hearts) could ever be classified as true or wrong.
Now the line between belief and opinion is rather blurred, somewhat lost in the distance...
Ryan Carney MWF 9:00
I strongly believed in the Iraqi war. Justifications? I had plenty, but the most important one was that the Iraqi government was developing weapons of mass destruction and Saddam Hussein was linked to Al-Qaeda. Unfortunately , I was not the only one been brainwashed, in 2003 the congress agree to go to war waving the justifications “given” as a flag of what was true. Did anybody double check? Did anybody came up with the “what if” question? Did anybody care if (X) or (Y) were true? No, we (including me) where blinded by the need for revenge. Well happens to be that most of the justifications were false. Upps!!!! We believed in Mrs. Grabit and our arguments were totally defeated. But this is not a simple case in a book this is war and there are people dying on both sides. Governments should care and must care if (x) is true.
I think having justification for your beliefs is very important and necessary, without any evidence or factual proof, how can you really believe in something?
Not bad, Krysten.
Augusto, brave comment.
I believe... beliefs do not need justification so long as one does not try to persuade another of said belief.
I guess that's the case with innocuous beliefs, such as "Aliens built the pyramids," but when it comes to deeper stuff like "latinos are inferior to white Anglos," I think even if you wouldn't try to convince me of your opinions, that belief may present a problem, say, if you are an Anglo manager for a company with latinos working under your supervision. Don't you think?
If something is important to someone but to others it may not have justification. For example I strongly believe in the right for homosexuals to be allowed to marry. It is important to me and I find justification for it. Everyone has there right to marry who they want. But to some people they believe that it is wrong for homosexuals to marry. Just like with your example of the pimp that is dealing girls. It is important to him but wrong for other people. He is morally incorrect but when it comes down to gay marriage who is to say that it is wrong and morally incorrect?
Jessica Elguezabal
Funny to read comment after comment about stuff that others expect you to write cause its "right." I felt like fixing my post which is the second from the top but after reading everyone's comments..... felt like i am suppose to write something when i really don't feel that way. I will continue to hold the justifications of my claim first, and secondly the claim itself because for SPECIFICALLY the belief i mentioned in my post is how i feel and it still doesn't matter if it's true or not. It doesn't MEAN THAT I FEEL THAT WAY about everything else^^. This may sound wrong and controversial but maybe if i can explain a lill better... I wrote on my post about believing in something that gives me hope & energy to wake up.... who is anyone to TELL ME that i am wrong by doing so, maybe if that person approached me and told me that there are other ways of being happy or ways more accurate of finding hope... then i would gladly listen. I am nobody and what i say is based on the VERY SMALL amount of knowledge i have. People should feel free to belief in whatever makes them happy and be able to carry those beliefs out as they please AS LONG AS THEY ARE WITHIN MORALITY, otherwise we end up with an open and free society and we need to have rules and regulatioons and KNOW that there is such thing as WRONG. Morality is very important and there are things that are just plain wrong whether you believe in it or not.... Wrong is simply WRONG.
At Triff: Sir... you are 100% correct when you spoke about faith not fixing the world, that knowledge its what can and will (one can only hope,) free us from all this suffering. I could add though that people are free to believe whatever they want and is up to the rest around them to educate them, to guide them, and teach them the truth about and behind what they believe so tomorrow their expectations and what they get from what they believe can be a lill more accurate.
A good example is World Pollution. Big countries are trying to fix and solve everything but in the process..... they are telling the lill people they cant cut down trees, they cant BASICALLY DO what they DID... which is what got them rich in the first place. I wouldn't say rich but ALOT of profit. INSTEAD, they should guide them, they should educate them, they should PROVIDE..... PROVIDE the lill people with the tools to achieve those goods they so badly need without hurting the planet any further. Provide them with the knowledge we have gained through the many mistakes we have made.
I want to finally add that if you want to have an easier time in life or any place for that matter, then you "should" have justifications for believing in something a you will live better, expect more and be closer to the truth. I feel differently in only one aspect as i mentioned in my post which is religion..... but that's it.... Anyhow, i expect some comments back, its kinda quiet here and is no fun if we don't argue (in a good way) Peace out.
OK, I'm sorry. I swear I'm not a problematic person but when I don't agree I MUST open my big mouth.I know I am no one to judge. But I believe I have the right of doubt.
"People should feel free to belief in whatever makes them happy and be able to carry those beliefs out as they please AS LONG AS THEY ARE WITHIN MORALITY..."
OK who chooses morality? Some things can be wrong and legal, while others can be just and illegal. So basically I can do anything I want like walk around in US 1 because it makes me feel free and alive and feel the rush of life. This, I believe would conflict with others, cause accidents? be illegal, but it's not immoral because I'm doing something that makes me happy...
Every single action we do affects someone else.
"people are free to believe whatever they want and is up to the rest around them to educate them, to guide them, and teach them the truth about and behind what they believe so tomorrow their expectations and what they get from what they believe can be a lill more accurate."
Ummm... this seems a little contradictory. OK as a society we have rights and oblogations but then if "people" as you say, have to be educated by the rest around them, who is going to educate these "rest around them." Also, if they are free to think whatever they want, why would we want to convince them otherwise?
With all due respect,
-Marion G Sanchez
to Marion S: Who is going to decide what is morality? We do...... in fact... i think we have all ready done that since man can remember and they are called LAWS and REGULATIONS we most go by every day. DEFINITION OF MORALITY:
1. The quality of being in accord with standards of right or good conduct.
2. A system of ideas of right and wrong conduct: religious morality; Christian morality.
3. Virtuous conduct.
4. A rule or lesson in moral conduct.
Who is going to educate those around us and who or why would we even try to convince people into believing something different from what they believe? Well.... if you have such amount of knowledge over someone or a group and you can prove to them that their beliefs are not accurate at all, and you know proving them will improve the quality of life and their expectations..... WHY not try to get them to understand, better yet... why not help them understand the truth? why would you even ask the question as to "who is going to educate others, and why would we want to change people's beliefs....." It's our obligation as a society to do so...... its our obligation as a society to make sure that we do the right thing. We my friend, we decide all these things.
Looking forward to hear from you again.
To Marvis:
Precisely, that is not my belief. I quoted directly from your post. My point was to tell you that you were contradicting yourself. AnI quote, "...people are free to believe whatever they want.."
Not all laws are moral, and not all of morality is legal.
"People should feel free to belief in whatever makes them happy and be able to carry those beliefs out as they please AS LONG AS THEY ARE WITHIN MORALITY"
Is it okay to ignore "immoral" laws? If yes, how is the immorality of the law decided? By whom?
For example,my Christian morality might not be in accordance with your Muslim morality.
And I quote,..."****
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According to philosophy, knowledge is a justified true belief. If I were to believe in “X” I would want to have a justification for it because it is more than just a guess, it is more like a guarantee that what I believe in is true and truth is fact. So that answers the second question, yes I would care if “X” is true. Some people just believe in something of their own just because they said so, but it does not work like that, there has to be evidence to what you believe in for it to be more accurate and maybe another person can also believe in it too. People have good or bad beliefs, depending on their morals and how strongly they feel about their belief. They might not change their point of view, but I strongly presume that others have the ability to change another person’s perception on a belief by giving reasonable arguments and points to make that person think and pause and really think of someone else’s thoughts and justifications (that’s why it’s crucial to be open to others thoughts and compare the ideas so there would not be a huge problem which usually happens). So I think that justified true belief is necessary in order to make sure that the belief is true and effective.
Bonifaz, Nicole
MWF 9am
At Marion S: As a Society we have come to agree and live by a set amount of rules and i will tell you again that we US decide whats moral. You are going in a different direction though when you say some laws are not moral basically saying that the system is not perfect..... I think we all know that :) if you care then change it, in fact... that's why we vote.. that's why we have presidential elections as an example... that's why we as a society decide whats right and whats wrong...... I keep saying that you can believe whatever you want if it makes you happy as long as your beliefs are not wrong, are not causing others wrong.... your example of your Christian morality may not be in accordance to my Muslim morality? Ok so what, if you have a different view then have it... there is nothing wrong with that, who cares ....... have 40 different beliefs that are not like mine. All i can do if i know you are wrong is prove to you and show you that you are wrong, and show you the truth w/e it may be ( and i am saying this as an example)so tomorrow you get more accurate gains from your beliefs and your life wouldn't be harder by easier. who am i to tell you that, well, 1: there isn't anything wrong in improving someone's quality of life by showing them the truth. 2: why wouldn't i do so knowing you'll have an easier life..... Anyhow, there you go. hit me up with something else.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions or way of thinking. In order to believe in something it is vital, in my opinion, to have a justification for it. In other words, you must have a reason for believing in that idea or belief. An idea can be justified by a valuable source, past experiences, or judgment. For example, I believe that violence doesn’t cease problems but multiplies them. The reason for that is based on past experiences. Take for instance the war in Iraq or more recent the killing at Coral Gables Senior High. In addition, on must differentiate truth from false acquisitions. You cannot be gullible enough to believe everything you hear. You must be able to first examine and investigate beliefs to have true knowledge.
-Nohelany Burey
"I keep saying that you can believe whatever you want if it makes you happy as long as your beliefs are not wrong"
So basically, I cannot have any belief I want, because my belief could be an erroneous one. I can have ANY belief I want, yet my belief has to be true. Is that what you are saying, Marvis?
At Marion S: Not at all my good friend^^. You can have any beliefs you want and carry them out as long as your not raping.... as long as you are not selling cocaine, as long as you are not a Priest and your having sex with lill boys, as long as you are not killing others in the process and why? well, there is such thing as WRONG.... simple as that, and as a society we have come to understand and agree what wrong is and what things are wrong and our beliefs have adapted around those rules or you may call it idk.. morality ^^
If you don't know what just simple wrong means then we have a lot of work to do. I would gladly help by showing you "guiding you" into what wrong is :)
Hey Buddy,
Listen... I think I have a good sense of bad and wrong. Thanks for the offer, but I'll pass :) Anyhow, I just wanted to show you how you contradict yourself and how you can never judge anything without investigsating. I'm sorry to let you know that I KNOW for a fact that morality can have its gray areas. Crimes are often justified. But we have deviated from the point in such a measure, that I doubt we can find our way back.
I want to know where Triff's at...... I know sir that you most be like "what is Marion and Marvis talking about".... lol. well, waiting to hear from you!!!!! not fun if you don't talk about us.
Wow!! I cannot even spell my own name.. lmao :D
well then... enough said. peace out.
Marvis you mean,
"What ARE Marion and Marvis talking about"
Just trying to help :)
ok then.. :/ "what is Marvis talking about" ill take the blame.... ^^ Well, was fun and everything but gotta go to work. C ya 2morrow. good talking.
Lately I've been looking for anything that's an alternative to the day to day routine and TV propaganda. There are so many problems in the world its hard to start thinking about one without it being connected to another. I feel that things are all wrong. For instance the other day in class you were having such a hard time trying to justify that a moral way to make a living is correct and the alternative is just plain wrong. Of course having justification is necessary that's what makes something right and stand for itself. I believe its this pop media mentality that has gotten this country so deep into an economic depression. All you see is shows about people with big houses and nice cars and how much money they have. And all this materialism is just pointless greed that leads to people getting conned into houses they cant afford and so forth. People need to realize that it's not important to fit in and buy everything. People need to be thankful for what they can have instead of owing and getting into debts for what they cant afford. In the end, this lifestyle of "having what you can't" give us less security and more headache.
William Sanchez.
At william sanchez: I like you're comment. Has a lot of truth in it, specially with all the brainwashing linked with the media and what we are suppose to have leading people into making many mistakes/assumptions.
I think having justification for your beliefs is not necessary. You don’t have to have hard evidence to believe in it. There are many factors the can prove or disprove a theory. I don’t necessarily have to justify my reasons. I don’t believe in the death penalty, but I don’t have to provide evidence why I don’t. I don’t believe that anyone should takes some one life not matter the crime committed, I think if a person committed a serious crime they should live the remainder of their life in jail. I don’t have to provide evidence to why I see it that way.
To Cha Cha 17:
Your statements are very broad. You state that if you believe in X, you don't need a justification.
I agree with you there.
But then you start bringing in actual situations that actually need justifications. Else, to me, it sounds as if your arrogant or ignorant.
You say "I don’t believe in the death penalty, but I don’t have to provide evidence why I don’t."
Let's say EVERYONE in the NATION thought this way. Then there wouldn't be any laws against the Death Penalty. Situations can become so serious that if you steal a candy bar, you will get the death penalty.
Now to you and me, that sounds absurd...right? Why? Because a candy bar doesn't equal to the life of a person. That's a belief.
But if we take what you just stated, that we don't have to provide evidence. Then it becomes a messed up system. Because anyone in power can make a law without justification and everyone would be forced to follow it.
We can also take it the other way around. Say someone seriously injured a pregnant woman with a hammer. We believe that he should go to jail for the remainder of his life. I know i would. I need to justify that belief and persuade or convince everyone why MY belief is right. Because if not, anyone amoral would let the person go.
Like I said, your statements are very broad. When the situation is based on the self, like religion or abortion, those may not need to be justified. But other beliefs need to be justified, so that people can agree on what is the right thing to do. The right thing of course, is based on what the majority of the people decide, though it's not always morally right.
In this world, there is not a single person that can say that they dont have any beliefs, therefore we cannot live without them. We nvr care about our beliefs being true or not, but we still defend them against anybody that might think different from us. If I believe that something is important to me I will defend it because keeping the belief is a lot easier than changing everything I once believed to be true. It happens to all of us because we all have our own concept of how everything is and we wouldnt want to give that up for nothing. If its important to me in any way, significant or not, I would rather keep it than get rid of it.
Good point, William.
By the way, Augusto, your answer to Chacha is pretty good.
One belief that I feel strongly about is abortion. I believe that abortion is wrong and many people may not agree with that. And that’s okay if you don’t. Everything that I believe in I have a justified argument to back up my belief. I have reasons and thoughts about my beliefs mostly every day. For instance, if a woman becomes pregnant and she thinks that it’s not the right time, it’s a mistake or whatever her reason could be for not having that baby, the first thought that comes to mind abortion. Most women don’t know what an abortion can do to them. A woman may never have the opportunity to conceive again, she could become depressed, and in the end she might regret having the abortion once it’s all said and done. Women who have been raped and find out that they are pregnant like to make the rape their justification for having an abortion. Even though rape and turning up pregnant could be the worst thing for a woman, a child is more of a blessing than a curse. Abortion is not always the answer. Instead of aborting you could always put the child up for adoption or the child could be turned over social services. Everyone believes in something. Even if it’s not a universal belief, it’s your belief and no one should ever be able to take that away from you.
To Balandrea Brown:
Hey Balandrea, I'd like to add some additional info, more on the realistic
side of giving a child to social services.
Social Services has good intentions, right? Right. But while they have good intentions, their
plan doesn't always go as followed. There are thousands of kids that are put up for adoption
or under these homes that take care of them. Across the nation. The problem though is that
there are so many kids in a single place, it's very difficult for a single organization with
limited staff to take care of them.
For this, a large portion of children lack socializing with other humans(even children). A lot
become isolated, a lot don't interact and this causes SEVERE damage to a child in the developing process
that could permanently damage them.
In one study of children from a Romanian orphanage to adoptive families in Great Britain, children were said to be
impaired in all aspects of development. Their physical make up was altered, their ability to think/reason was also deeply
affected for children adopted at 6months of age. The longer it took them to get adopted the bigger the consequences. Their brain
couldn't handle stress as a "normal" child of that age should affecting their physical and emotional health.
Now this study was done back in 2000, it could have changed but knowing a lot of people out there who have a lot to do as it is. It
is probably difficult to manage hundreds of kids in one facility.
Am I against abortion? Yes and No. But We can talk it out some other time if you'd like. But there are additional consequences
that a lot of people don't take into consideration.
The all round best solution is to get neutered or spayed!
...I'm kiddin o'couse
I seem to make too many lengthy responses. just gonna go sleep or somethin'
If I believe that “x” is important to me, then of course I would care to have justification for it. And those justifications can be given to those who want to hear them. However, just because I care about having justifications for this belief, I would not care if “x” was true. In my eyes “x” is true but for someone else “x” can be false and as long as they have a justification for it being false, then I am willing to listen. As a result, my “x” does not have to be true but it must have a justification. For instance, I believe that abortion should be legal, but it should only be used for emergency ( rape, protection failed). I believe everyone should be given the choice, but their should be morals to go by. However, this belief “x” is true to me but if you ask someone who’s conservative, extremely religious, etc they might disagree with me and as long as they have justification for it, they can be just as right as me.
Guadalupe Cruz
I'm sorry Augusto, but I couldn't disagree more on your statement..."The right thing of course, is based on what the majority of the people decide...??? So, what you are trying to say is that the majority is always right? Where????How???When??? Masses are easily manipulated especially nowadays with the major role the media plays in most people's lives. A good counterexample to your theory would be: what about the elections???? So, what you were saying was that because the majority agreed/chose an X candidate, he all of sudden becomes "the right" thing? I don't think so. Were you happy with our past president? Yet, the majority chose him. So, does that make it right? Masses can make extremely poor choices and not make the right decisions....Just think about it.
Flavia Merschmann
I see where your coming from Flavie and I would disagree if I had said that.
The whole quote was
"The right thing of course, is based on what the majority of the people decide, though it's not always morally right."
"Though it's not always morally right" nor is it always the right decision.
The way I ended with my reply was to say that the majority [sadly] always end up choosing what is "best" for the group/country/city.
Though... It's not always the best decision, but it's the decision that the majority of the people "think" would be best.
No I don't support our last president. I couldn't vote but I sure as hell did try to persuade others to vote against him.
The whole point of that statement towards Cha Cha 17 was to say that certain beliefs do need to be justified. So that people are convinced on what would be the 'best' choice to make.
I paused and added, "The right thing of course, is based on what the majority of the people decide"
And that...is not always the best answer/choice/method. I put morally right because we were talking about morals and beliefs.
I'm more than aware that masses have made and can make the poorer choices. That's why it's so difficult to get people to work together towards Global Warming, Taking Care of trees and not cutting them down, invest more in solar panels to produce electricity vs petroleum, focus less on war more on education. And this isn't even factoring in the power houses that have total control due to their large amount of wealth, neglecting the opinions of others.
I have always wondered why people use expressions such as “seeing is
believing,” or the most commonly used “everything happens for a reason.” Some of us try to justify our own convictions or beliefs either by evidential means or with as little evidence as a catchy saying. Personally,I do think our own beliefs should be justifiable and for one simple reason -it’s reassuring. In my opinion, “when in doubt, continue to doubt” (my own personal saying), how can one stick to a belief without having had a slightness of hesitation in the first place? Ironically yet rationally speaking, I become a skeptic before sticking to “X”. For example, when I first hear about a tragedy on the news,
(without realizing) confirm it and
discuss it amongst other people as if the news itself was not reliable enough. Because ever since I was young, I was told not to believe everything that I hear and not to trust everyone that comes my way. To stand up for something that has yet to be testified is not a wise choice, but since the facts are not always laid out in front of us, we must not become reluctant to different possibilities. These possibilities provide that not all truth will work in our favor. Truth will always remain nothing but truth.
Therefore, I do care that my belief is justifiable, because then I’ll decide later whether I’ll want to continue believing in “X” or not.
In our everyday life we put our beliefs into test and we realize whether that belief is superior to our life or appalling. Into taking that point into mind I believe in order to take a belief into account I need to have enough reasonable justification why to believe in it. In other words, have strong evidence or personal experience to back up ones justification in what this belief means to one. For example, is Violence (such as verbal, physical or mentally) the solution to ones problem? No. Not at all. I see this belief put into test everyday when watching the news and seeing someone’s life terminated. My justification into believing that violence is not the solution to our problems is there are other ways to solve a problem and violence is not one of them
However, just because I care about having justifications for this belief, I would not care if “x” was true. In my eyes “x” is true but for someone else “x” can be false and as long as they have a justification for it being false, then I am willing to listen. As a result, my “x” does not have to be true but it must have a justification.
Guadalupe: Where's the beef?
Nice point Flavia, it hinges on the idea of "coherence". That's why is not the strongest truth criterion.
Velia: What happened to your comment? Interrupted?
Marion vs. Marvis: Nice to-and-fro.
Suppose I believe “X” and “X” is important because as a belief it influences my behavior, than yes, I would want justification for my belief. Let’s say I believe in the “John F. Kennedy Assassination Conspiracy Theories” and when asked why I respond with “that’s just what I believe,” with no argument. To me to roam through life in this ignorant fashion, with no argument/justification and evidence for my belief is ridiculous. And for the question of whether or not I care if my belief is true: yes. I mean why even bother having a justification for a belief if that belief isn’t true?
Jennifer Jean PHI2010 MWF 9:00 am
My dear Augusto,
On your reply to my comment you were EXTREMELY contradictory...Please re read what you just wrote:
"The right thing of course, is based on what the majority of the people decide, though it's not always morally right.Though it's not always morally right nor is it always the right decision....
Augusto, if it is not morally right nor the right decision (I'm just using your OWN WORDS)...then what's the point???? Obviously it contradicts the beginning of your statement when you said that the right thing is based on what the majority decides....You just said that it is not always the decision....How can it be right and not right at the same time???? Did you learn about the LAW OF NONCONTRADICTION?!?
You need to decide first if it is right or not right what the majority chooses and then we can carry on with our discussion.
In my opinion, beliefs are extremely important because they give us a sense of security and something to hold on to. They often constitute to who we are, how we behave, how the world perceives us and how we perceive ourselves. Beliefs also influence our decisions, now seeing how important they are and how they influence our daily lives. I do care that there is a justification for them. But how much justification is enough? I do care if “X” is true, but how much of it is true? How much can remain fuzzy? In some situations some things are true but not wholly true. I feel that there is room for compromise. There may not be a lot of room but indeed there is room.
Flavia...
I want to keep my response short. I wrote a 600 word response but I thought it was not right to do that to you.
That Say Professor Triff gives us 2 options on this test.
(1)Either we take the test on Friday but with 40 more questions with chapter 5 included OR(2) we take it on Monday the way it is.
Now the class has a "vote". You and I vote for Monday. The other 30 Students vote for Friday. We are more than sure we have a better chance at passing the test on Monday. But now we HAVE to take it on Friday and EVERYONE FAILS.
Our decision (Yours & Mine) was the "right" one. But the Mass felt the second option was better. They were wrong. But at THAT time, they thought it was their advantage.
Do you see how the mass thought they were right but were wrong in the end?
People’s beliefs Change. People influence other people. What you think is right at first, is not always the right answer. It can be but not guaranteed.
A large group of people are needed to make a decision, but if everyone doesn't know what is going on, then they can easily make the wrong decision.
I responded to Cha Cha on a Moral Basis. But even the morality of people is different. Some think that prostitution is fine, others are against it. But if 100 people think it’s fine and 10 think it's wrong. 100 People over rule 10 people and a new law is made in favor of prostitution.
What you are saying is the UNIVERSAL truth. I am talking about what actually happens and how it progresses. I have been saying that since the beginning.
PS: Sorry about long response..i can't help but making myself clear...
Sorry >.< !!! Meant to type Flavie**
not sure how to edit or delete :(((
I believe that the immigration system in this country is broken. Whether it is not true,i believe so. I can justify this argument by facts. I might be wrong, but even though my argument is not true,i have strong facts to justify it. The immigration debate in this country has people divided whether undocumented immigrants should be legalize or not. Some believe that all undocumented individuals should get punished,but i think different. Undocumented immigrants should be given a chance to succeed, a chance to become better persons,a chance to get an education. I can keep on stating why they should be legalize. This system is broken,by the fact that there are 13,000,000 illegal immigrants in this country, hopeless. This is my argument and my justification for it.
WEll said Flavia and Leanna!! lol :)
I swear to God if I hear another comment about how abortion is a sin because blah blah... I am going to have a nervous break down and explode.
* I wonder how many people know how difficult it is to rear a child, it is not a game playing with a baby doll.
* Did you know there is a way tro tell before the child is born deaf, blind and stupid before the baby is born with 100 defects and never be able to fulfill a normal life.
* Did you know the Foster care system sucks (in any given country.)
* Do you realize females practice improper abortions that could risk the death of themselves?
* It is called prochoice for a reason. It's an individual choice.
* Life begins at birth.
* Thousands of girls are raped and end up pregnant.
* Unwanted children grow up with a number of psychological problems and poor self esteem.
* You can NEVER judge a person, if you have not been in their shoes.
By the way, I believe in Santa Claus lol :)
lol loved that response Marion, your awesomely pro ;p
Why thank you, Augusto P,
I also like your comments.
-Marion
Good Luck on the test tomorrow, you guys!!!
If I believe in something, I should definitely have a justification for it. A perfect example would be the topic of stem cell research. This topic may stir up emotions, and may cause many people to feel upset just thinking about this. I honestly believe that stem cell research is a great thing, to a certain extent. Of course, it is easy to see why some may disagree with this, but it is actually something that can really help many people. Those that disagree with stem cell research believe that it will change human nature. This is true, which is why I said that it is acceptable to a certain extent. I’m all for this topic because I believe that stem cell research can help cure some of those diseases and sicknesses that so many people are getting.
Elizabeth Espinoza
PHI 2010
MWF (9 A.M.)
Believing in something is best when you can justify that belief. Being able to justify your belief just makes that belief that much stronger. The belief doesn't have to be true to be true to yourself. For example, I can try to convince others that believing in the death penalty is wrong. I believe in second chances,but that doesn't mean that there going to go along with it, they could have there own belief and an equally compelling justification for why the death penalty is a good choice for a criminals punishment. That being said, I do believe that being able to justify your belief is more important than the belief being true. In my case, I need some kind of justification for me to consider changing my beliefs or accepting another person's beliefs.
Erik Seichrist
In our everyday life we put our beliefs into test and we realize whether that belief is superior to our life or appalling. Into taking that point into mind I believe in order to take a belief into account I need to have enough reasonable justification why to believe in it. In other words, have strong evidence or personal experience to back up ones justification in what this belief means to one. For example, is Violence (such as verbal, physical or mentally) the solution to ones problem? No. Not at all. I see this belief put into test everyday when watching the news and seeing someone’s life terminated. My justification into believing that violence is not the solution to our problems is there are other ways to solve a problem and violence is not one of them. In Conclusion, Justification plays a good roll in our life, because we live with what we belief whether is a true belief or not.
Ditto, Marion :O)
Pro Choice is the word!
Love you,
Flavia & Leanna
Dear Augusto,
Thank you for giving me the opportunity of having a nice conversation with you :O)
Flavia
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