Tuesday, November 16, 2010

MWF, 9am

32 comments:

Oscar Garay said...

I’m a religious person who believes in the classic sanctity of marriage between a man & a woman which the type of marriage I desire. Through my readings of the bible God is none acceptant of homosexual activities nonetheless marriage, thus I have to concur with that ideal & implement it for MYSELF. However in my individual perspective towards society in general I have no problem with same sex marriages, I do not feel the need to deny their happiness. Conversely to my understanding it will be a long time from now before people become as acceptant of this issue as I am. There are two spectrums about this topic that make it hard for gay marriage rights to get passed by American voters. First you have to look at the number of religious people going completely against gay rights. Second psychologists say that many men & women who feel repugnant towards this subject have had at some point in their lives feelings for the same sex; not being able to fully recognize their emotions they go against it & reject gay beliefs. From biblical times to our modern era homosexuality has been a touchy subject, & to be honest I really don’t know how life is for a gay individual so I’ll close with a quote from Socrates “All I know is that I know nothing.”

O.G. MWF 9 AM

Anonymous said...

ALFREDO GONZALEZ MWF 9.00 am class


As a gay male, living in the United States, I feel most Americans and half the world is wrong on passing horrible judgment on the gay community. The reason for that is very simply, we live in a society full of hypocrites, a lot of people just judging and making stupid accusations just because they just don’t know. The real word for that is IGNORANCE. I honestly can’t tell a heterosexual how to live their live or whether he or she is doing wrong by loving the opposite sex. Who gives them the right to judge me and my community for wanting to legalize gay marriage? Who are they to tell me how to live my life? Who are they to tell me who to love? Who are they to try to minimize me as a human being? The answer to this is NOBODY! This people are the most horrible and evil creatures to ever exist in this world, for trying to make us look like an infection to this world. I bet that half those people were are racist and probably had ancestors that discriminated at everything that dint fit in their criteria of this so called perfect world they want to build. Just to put things in perspective, most of the heterosexuals that hate and protest against the gay community are a bunch of immoral people that behind closed doors who knows what they really are. Most gay males now days are coming out of supposedly “perfect” heterosexual marriages. The rate of divorce in this world when it comes down to heterosexual marriages is sky high, at this point I think they have no right to even protest for something that they cant even get right. Most of them declare is a religious thing, well honestly, f*** religion. I am sick and tired of hearing how religion puts us down as immoral and nasty creatures that are doing the wrong thing, that we are an abomination to this world. Honestly I am sorry for my choice of words but if they were to walk in my shoes they would understand that homosexuality is something that is happening is here and there is nothing that can be done to avoid it. Homosexuality is not a choice, we don’t choose to be gay, honestly and from the bottom of my heart if it were a choice I would of chosen to be a heterosexual, so I wouldn’t have to suffer so much for being different, but you know what, at the end of the day I am PROUD! I am gay, I am QUEER and I am HERE!!!!!!!!!! With all that being said, thank you very much, in the future I hope to get marry to a MAN. I am just waiting for this whole fiasco to get over, these idiots keep waiting time to something that is inevitable. Just like any other big issues were resolved like slavery, this issue will get resolved as well, we just need support from everyone who comes into this with an open mind and love, because that’s what makes this world go round LOVE not gender or race.


ALFREDO GONZALEZ MWF 9.00 am class

Alfredo Triff said...

Thanks for sharing your view, Alfredo.

Anonymous said...

alfredo gonzalez.

thank you for allowing me to share my views professor!

Jessica Bini said...

Studies have shown that with each passing generation, more individuals are becoming more accepting and tolerable towards different beliefs, cultures, ect. But then why would people still be against marriage even though these same people (with the exception of a few) would be against gay liberties in the area of marriage. I think that this has to do with the inner struggle that many people, especially religious people, have in how to remain consistent and firm in their faith and yet respect other’s beliefs. If they say “My faith (the bible) has taught me homosexuality is wrong” but also say “I am not going to judge you or force you to think like I do” where do they draw the line? If they don’t believe in it, and think of it as sin, then they cannot be for gay marriage because it would reveal some sort of inconsistency. If they truly believe it to be sinful they cannot say yes, you should have the right to marry a man with a man or a woman with a woman. Interfering with this right would demonstrate an almost tyrannical approach (you should do this, this and this) which I am sure some religions do not condone (the idea of “free will”) but by not interfering it is as though they are saying it’s okay. So these people may be stuck in this debate, should they be for it or against it? In both of these cases it seems like they are falling short, in showing love to their neighbors but also in compromising their beliefs. The only thing that determines whether people can call homosexuality wrong would be, I think, biblical. But if the bible cannot be taken into account (such as is the case in law making/ separation of church and state) then the very bases of keeping gay marriages from happening has no logic. You have just lost your proof, your reason to being against it. You cannot say it is to protect the sanctity of marriage then the idea of divorce would also have to be outlawed as well (according to this argument). This “sanctity” can only be supported by the bible and as I stated before if biblical beliefs cannot be a part of the country then this kind of reasoning has lost its validity, its reason.

Daniela Cardona said...

Personally, I think the homosexuality issue is so dramatic and over publicized. It's not that big of a deal.

I think everyone should be able to marry whoever they please. Marriage is a tie between two people, legal or not it's a decision between two people to be loyal to each other and remain with that person for the rest of their lives. It is a union between two people on a physical, emotional and spiritual level.

Gay marriage should be legalized and people should just move on to more important issues that really deserve attention. The media created this big hype around this issue and kept everyone entertained while other more important decisions are being made.

I am a Christian myself and I understand the religious part of the issue and why it is "wrong" in the eyes of many. However no one is to judge what someone else's spiritual relationship is and to condemn other people or say absurd comments like "Homosexuals are possessed by demons."

Everyone deserves the right to make public their decisions. Whether or not this may be or wrong or right in the eyes of God, He is to judge and say who is right or wrong.

More important religion should definitely NOT play a part in government policy and be the deciding factor of anything. There is nothing irrational about gay marriage; men and women are equal and alike whether it's female or male, it's a human being that deserves equal rights regardless of sexuality, race, color, background etc..

Paulo Castillo said...

As a person growing from a Roman Catholic family, I disagree with “Gay Marriage”. I understand the good points Oscar and Alfredo mentioned in their previous comments. Being a fanatic, too radical against to it is not a solution also. We should respect “gay people” and their sexual option, but Marriage is sacred and should keep it the way. God created “Man & Woman” to reproduce and inhabited this planet, but Jesus never said anything about “marriage between man and man” or “marriage between woman and woman”. We know through History all the talented and gay people in this world: Alexander “The Great”, Socrates, Aristotle, Oscar Wilde, Leonardo Da Vinci and their contributions to this world. However, gay people should consider the “Marriage” also includes having kids and raising a family. Now “Gay people” can adopt children, but sooner or later those kids will suffer and pay “their parents” consequences by comparing their friend’s parents to their own.

Giannina said...

I don’t have anything against homosexuals. In fact I have gay and lesbian friends. I respect them, and I think they should do whatever makes them happy. However, being a catholic, my belief of marriage is between a man and a woman. There is nothing more beautiful than being able to have a child. And for that, you need a man and a woman. To me, adoption between a gay couple would definitely affect the child in the long run. We all know how cruel children might be at times. And it must be extremely hard for a teenager to try to explain his/her friends that he/she has two moms or two dads. Like i said, i respect gays and lesbians. But i believe they should also respect other people's beliefs.

Jennyfer Bini said...

As a Christian, I hold the belief that marriage should be between a man and a woman. That is what the bible teaches. According to the bible, homosexuality is considered immoral. I do not have any harsh tales or words to say against homosexuals. I am just against their practice not their being. Homosexuality is gender preference. Putting aside my beliefs, the Constitution is separate from religion. The Constitution specializes in equality and since there is that argument (separation of church and state), homosexuals have the right to gay marriages. The government does not look at religion. It was not a part of it at the beginning, like some might say. There was always a separation of religion and state therefore equality in marriage is essential for gays that want to be married.

James D. said...

Growing up in a religious family and considering myself Christians I believe in respect and love for all. Nevertheless, I don’t seem to accept the fact and the idea of same sex marriage just because the act in itself was instituted by God. I am not an extremist to wish all homosexuals death since I believe we are all equal and deserve the same rights. Yet, marriage should still be between a man and a woman as marriage is really making a woman and man one in God’s eyes. I do think it’s unfair that homosexuals if they’re in couple don’t have the same privileged as married heterosexuals. As a matter of fact, I think the solution is for them to make a “special” law to recognize their union but I don’t think “marriage” is the answer. I also understand that there is a separation from church and state but to me the problem is that the roots of marriage are religious. Happiness is for all and if being in a same sex relation is their choice I respect it but I can’t accept the fact of them being married.

James Desravines said...

Growing up in a religious family and considering myself Christians I believe in respect and love for all. Nevertheless, I don’t seem to accept the fact and the idea of same sex marriage just because the act in itself was instituted by God. I am not an extremist to wish all homosexuals death since I believe we are all equal and deserve the same rights. Yet, marriage should still be between a man and a woman as marriage is really making a woman and man one in God’s eyes. I do think it’s unfair that homosexuals if they’re in couple don’t have the same privileged as married heterosexuals. As a matter of fact, I think the solution is for them to make a “special” law to recognize their union but I don’t think “marriage” is the answer. I also understand that there is a separation from church and state but to me the problem is that the roots of marriage are religious. Happiness is for all and if being in a same sex relation is their choice I respect it but I can’t accept the fact of them being married.

Anasay Sieiro said...

First of all, I don’t understand why some people mind about what others do with their lives. Why some times they try to do the impossible so others won’t feel right. I would like to see the world one day to understand that being gay is not a choice. We have seen the causes of repression on these persons by others and only the very strong ones can live happy after all. It is sad to see in the news that a gay or lesbian committed suicidal because of bullies attacks. In most cases this occurs in schools where some of these victims don’t even understand why they feel different than the rest. For those who don’t approve gay marriage and spend their valuable time opposing others desires, they need to first start thinking about their own.

Catherine A. said...

After finish reading this, I ended up with many different thoughts about the subject. I would begin by saying that I' am a Christian and i personally do not believe that is how god intended it. I accept that the churches are teaching on this matter. Yet, I do believe in freedom, i think that if there is two men or two women in love, then they should be free to choose in whatever they want. I guess I could say that gay marriage should be legal but I personally consider it valid. But my opinion shouldn't matter, it's their lives, their love, their decision. No person is allow to tell another person how to love. If I should put God in this because i' am a Christian, then God himself wanted in humanity is our freedom and ability to choose our own path. So i believe that is more of a sin to deny another person their freedom and their love than homosexuality being a sin.

Unknown said...

There’s has always been two sides to every story. In this case there’s only one good choice . Pro Choice. Gay’s deserve every right we as citizens of this country are able to make. Religious people use the defense of God against homosexuals, like that just explains why we must hate and ostracize them from society. Well guess what, since when has Church and state ever been mixed? If you say marriage is a religious right, then how come atheist can marry? There are few people in this world that can truly say they follow Gods rules. People lie, cheat, steal, and are definitely not virgins until marriage (that includes all you men). Gay’s have every right to choose if they want to get married. How would it ever affect your life personally? As I always say “Live and let Live” “Love and let Love” .

adanelis gonzalez said...

The reality is that homosexuality is multidimensional, and is much more about love and affection than it is about sex. And this is what gay relationships are based on: mutual attraction, love and affection and sex. Homosexual people should be allowed to marry. Usually, people think marriage is an institution between one man and one woman. Well, that is the most often heard argument, one even codified in a recently passed U.S federal law. It seems that if the straight community cannot show a compelling reason to deny the institution of marriage to gay people, it should not be denied. The concept of not denying people, their rights unless people can show a compelling reason to do so is the very basis of the American ideal of human rights.Society allows murderers, convicted felons all sorts; even child molesters get married and bring children. The fact is that many gay couples raise children, adopted and occasionally their own from failed attempts at heterosexual marriages. Lots and lots of scientific studies have shown that the outcomes of the children raised in the homes of gay and lesbian couples are just as good as those of straight couples.

Yolanda Bonilla said...

Homosexuality, as heterosexuality, is just a sexual behavior. Homosexual relationships are based on respect and love just as heterosexual relationships are, so I don’t see why gay marriages can’t be legalized. As a witness of homosexuals’ suffering (friends and members of my family) I take this opportunity to say that they don’t choose who they fall in love with, the same way as heterosexuals can’t avoid their feelings. They don’t deserve to be discriminated as if they were worthless than the rest for this “condition”, marriages for these people would mean a lot after all they have been through, it would mean that finally they have been legally accepted in the society. After all, we have but one life, so we should live it the way we want as long as we don’t hurt anybody with our actions.

Yolanda Bonilla said...

After reading some comments I am adding to my comment: If a marriage was created to procreate between a woman and a man, why there are so much people who don’t get married and still have children? Why are some who get married and don’t? (Marriage is the union of two people who love and respect each other, that is all !!!) Why is so important what you will tell your adopted child? Not precisely you have 2 moms or 2 dads, but the truth, after all, it is not a sin to adopt a child to give him/her a better life, I’m sure, that adopted creature would be grateful to their “new”parents (who ever they are) as long as they give them love, the love that the biological mother/father couldn’t give him/her.

Unknown said...

Gay people are being considered as "sick" people , but who are we to judge them?, we are NOBODY.i honestly think gay marriage should be legalized. Every person has the right to love and be with the person they chose. Those who criticize the gay community before judge them, they should look into them selves and see what they are doing wrong and not be looking what the other does.

Cecilia Ramos

Emily Martinez said...

Why have we brought it upon ourselves to decide what one decide to do is right or wrong? Every person is an individual and everything in respect to that individual is relative. What you see, feel, touch, or think depends on your perspective; I can not interpret something as anyone else would nor can I say what I hold to be true is necessarily correct. People believe what they want to believe, we are all brought up with tendencies that many times hinder us from reality. We are no one to judge because we ourselves all do things that are against who we are or what we believe I, not always by choice but it is something that inevitable. To some people it is blatantly obvious that homosexuality is immoral, but is the fact that they think that wrong?

Loida Morales said...

Honestly, the first thing I have to say its that most people over think gay marriage too much. It's not that big of a deal. I think everyone should be able to marry whoever they desire. Marriage is a decision between two people not the whole World! If you don't like people judging you at all then you shouldn't either. I am a Christian and I was taught from my early years that being a homosexual is not right but I believe we shall not judge anyone with the decisions they make in life. Everyone is different and we should just accept it and worry about ourselves. I really think that gay marriage shouldn't be a huge topic to be spoken about. There are other huge topics that should be spoken about more than gay marriage such as global warming, poverty etc.

Ricky Roumain said...

There is a lot of debate to know what position to take for gay marriage. Some people believe that marriage is a gift from God and must be preserved (www.articlesbase.com › News and Society) and that gay lifestyle is not something to be encouraged, as a lot of research shows it leads to a much lower life expectancy, psychological disorders, and other problems. Studies show that homosexuals, for a variety of reasons, have life expectancies of approximately 20 years less than the general population. Just like a lifestyle of smoking, drinking, etc., unhealthy lifestyles should be discouraged (www.balancedpolitics.org/same_sex_marriages.htm -).Study also shows the public health catastrophe among homosexual men and the importance of children for a father and a mother. Religious people opposes same sex marriage by telling that marriage is the union of a man and a woman. They consider homosexuality as a sin. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. (Corinthians 6:9). Some people think that homosexuality is unnatural. Others are against these arguments by saying that if marriage is for procreation/children: Then they think that marriage licenses should only be given to fertile couples, and those who are paralyzed, or women who have gone thru menopause may not be married because they cannot have children. (www.articlesbase.com › News and Society › Politics). The only thing that should matter in marriage is love. I think that it is the truth. The only that matters is love. Even if the church refuses the same sex marriage, it can’t break the affection between two hearts that love each other. The church will never allow the sex same marriage because the bible doesn’t allow to do that. The church will always go against it which means that a gay couple can’t marry in a church. However, they do have the right to be married. Even if the same sex marriage isn’t allow in church, we can allow the civil marriage to gay couple. Marriage is a symbol of love. Everyone deserves to be happy .

greter said...

This is a topic that many young christians like myself would like to avoid mainly because though one can give an opinion many people feel the urge to shred you to pieces if you go against gays and lesbians. Honestly, Iam not in favor of gay marriages and much less adoptions, however, I do have respect for all individuals regardless of their sexual preference. I do abide by the word of God which is known as the Holy Bible and clearly 1 Corinthians 6:9states it. I repeat again that this is none of my business what a person chooses, it's simply my opinion.

Martha Arias said...

I was raised as a Catholic and in being one I have always had the idea of marriage to be between a man and woman. A man and a woman are able to be married and have children. This has always been my idea of a family/marriage. I personally have nothing against gay people. I treat them with the same respect I treat others. I also believe that they should not be discriminated against by anyone. No person should be judged because of their religion, race, sexuality, color, background, etc. Gay couples should have the right to live together because no one should be involved in anyone’s private life. If the couples live together something should be done for them to join income taxes if desired, however when it comes to legal marriage I do not support this idea. However, if a law is someday passed in which gay couples are allowed to get married in the 50 states I will NOT be among the protesters. Whatever is decided, whichever side wins, is fine by me.

Anonymous said...

I believe everyone deserves to be happy. No matter how much of a terrible person they are or once were. No matter the sex, race or color; everyone deserves to love and be with whom they please. If their heart desires someone of the opposite sex, great. If their heart desires someone of the same sex, so be it. I don’t follow a specific religion so I don’t believe in marriage between only a man and a woman. I believe in marriage between two people who are deeply and madly in love with each other. You can’t help who you fall in love with, but you can help in accepting others for who they are and respect their wishes. I also agree with homosexuals being able to adopt. Many may argue that the children will suffer or have social problems with other kids because they have two mommies or two daddies. Many believe that it’ll just continue a cycle of homosexuality, increasing the gay community. Or that the children will grow up confused about marriage or how a family is “supposed” to be. I completely disagree with all of that. A lot of times children with heterosexual parents grow up to be gay. The gay community only bothers those who are religious and want to follow the word of God. I believe though, that sometime in the future, marriage between two people of the same sex will be accepted just like women voting is accepted today.

- Anais Franco

Anonymous said...

Victor Mustelier
The view on gay marriage is complicated because of change in perspective. When arguing whether something like stealing is right or wrong one can easily tell which one is right. However, the righteousness of something when it comes to lifestyles that do not harm others I believe is relative to the person judging it. Personally I don’t support gay marriages because I support a system with a mother and father as a family. Another argument I have when referring to marriage is that for the most part it is sacred and homosexuality is not accepted by most religions. I do acknowledge that most people with my view and are willing to speak about it do so with bad intentions or just bad communication. For example, being able to see a loved one (being gay or not) in a hospital should be something all people should have the right to do. So in conclusion, views of any topic can be different in all individuals as long as there is no harm being caused.

Constance Chang said...

I’m catholic but not so religious. However I been raised that a marriage between man and a woman should be, that what the bible said. But I do support the gay couples, they should have the same respect, as the man/woman marriage. Even though we are on the 21st century people keeps their belief that gay marriages shouldn’t be allow nor adopt children, cause they belief that their children would have social problems with other kids when they will say I have two mommies and two daddies. But I seen more and more in our society that we are in now, that people are accepting gay marriages. I hope eventually they would legalized gay marriage, cause they really deserve to be with that person they love.

Leo Alonso said...

I believe we live in a world where marriage is given a value that is almost, well, beyond human. What I mean by this is the supposed "sanctity" or "sacred" aspect of marriage... really?

It's a romantic concept, it's nice, it's comfortable, but really, in my personal opinion, that sacredness of marriage IN AND OF ITSELF is an illusion. That sacredness is violated and obliterated any time your spouse demeans you, hits you, makes you feel sub-par, lies to you, etc. These events, in one form or another, are fairly common in many marriages, whether they ultimately end in divorce or not.

So where is the sanctity, the sacredness? Because it's marriage? It's just a name. A title. So where's the true value in it? It isn't a physical union; it's (by definition) "a social union or legal contract between people that creates kinship."

A social union. A legal contract. To create kinship.

I create a social union with my buddies when we go out drinking, for Christ's sake.

What makes this so special is that it ultimately applies to one person at that moment. But let's look at it beyond marriage for marriage's sake. Where I find my sense of anything sacred is in the other person. Not in the marriage. In the other person. In other words, I didn't need to be married to find this or feel it to begin with. So here's where my view comes in:

I apply the same concept to gay couples. To me, there is no sense of sacredness/sanctity being destroyed by these people getting married, if anything, they add a nice flavor to the mix. Ultimately, to add what I feel is that super-human/transcendental bullshit to marriage is so superficial, if you have to apply it to when THAT comes, and you can't apply it to the relationship beforehand. Not that I necessarily apply it to either to begin with, but well, you know, I'm not on the foundation of religious scriptures to base my definition off of either. That isn't in my scope, and not because it's beyond me, but because it's beneath me.

Hell, marry a chicken for all I care... the only solid thing you'd miss out on are the civil benefits. The spiritual, the emotional, the deep, the shallow, the love, the all-encompassing.. can be found before marriage, and after it.

Marriage =/= Sacred

Marcus Calpakis said...

There is a real dilemma about the way gays and lesbian individuals are perceived in society. There seems to be a general resistance of the majority of Americans to gay marriage, yet general support, or at least tolerance, to their sexual preference or orientation. This is reduced to the fact that marriage and tradition seem to be hand in hand, and to introduce something so liberal to something that seems so conservative is taken as almost wrong. This, I feel, is pure hypocrisy. If marriage was such a special bond and full of tradition, then why is the divorce rate hovering nearly half in recent years? As accepting as people are of divorces, they should be equally accepting of non traditional marriages.
Morally, I believe something entirely different, but this is my personal opinion about how society interacts with gay marriage, and how this intolerance is irrational, wrong, and hypocritical.

Jake Gilmore said...

Gay couples should have the same rights as straight couples. If two people have a bond and would like to legally be represented as a couple then sexual preference should not interfere. Who are we to decide as a society whether one can or cannot marry the same sex. Marriage is when two people care about each other and want to be together. Love is love, it should not be constricted by law or what is frowned upon by the society but rather by free will; if a man and a man or a women and a women choose to marry then so be it. In conclusion, I have no problem with same sex marriages and if it makes them happy then let them be.

Anonymous said...

Maureen Auguste

Me, being a homosexual, may make my opinion biased. Although, I haven't gave much thought about getting married, I have heard about all the commotion with Prop. 8, and how our legislators actually went as far as to creating a law prohibiting same-sex marriage and I think that's ridiculous. Now, we can use a theory that I naturally tend to follow and that's Kant theory. Let's say that "somehow" same sex were able to reproduce, and it was intended that mankind be with the same sex as opposed to how it is now. Would it be fair to refrain from accepting those few(or many) that find themselves drawn to the opposite sex? Would it be fair to forbid oppsite sex marriage? No. I know that this is kind of pushing it, but that's a thought experiment for you. Yes, I was raised within a religious family. My family is Catholic, a religion that I consider to be extremely strict, and I do hold most of those moral standards that they teach. But I can't go as far as saying that I am a Catholic because then I'll really be saying that I'm against gay activities such as, same-sex marriage.

Anonymous said...

Marie Duverger

Same-sex marriage is completly fine because different people have different religions. Based on their religion they believe whatever they believed. For example, if your parents are highly against gay, then you're going to be against gay even though you might be gay yourself but people hide this because of what their parents might think. Personally I'm not for or against gay marriage.

Anonymous said...

Well,denying them is a violation of religious freedom, and marriage benefits should be available to all couples. Homosexuality is an accepted lifestyle nowadays with most evidence strongly supporting biological causation. Denying these marriages is a form of minority discrimination.It doesn't hurt society or anyone in particular.The only thing that should matter in marriage is love. The same financial benefits that apply to man-woman marriages apply to same-sex marriages. Who is to say that the gay lifestyle is not something to be encouraged, but a lot of research shows it leads to a much lower life expectancy, psychological disorders, and other problems. Again that is there choice to make and I say let them be, its eventually going to happen. As the religious aspect aren't we all sinners ;)