Tuesday, November 16, 2010

TR, 11:15am

27 comments:

mandoguerrero said...
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mandoguerrero said...

Gay Marriage?

A very Black and White argument, as people seem to be totally against, or for it. I’ve never been extremely religious so I can’t speak for those who are and see gay marriage as a sin. I was brought up catholic and for me there really isn’t anything wrong with gay marriages or homosexuals in general. I thought we lived in the land of the free and if homosexuals want to get married I don’t see why that should be denied to them. I see how religious extremists don’t want homosexuals to get married, but if they are not having a religious wedding, or being married in a church for example, Why should they care if they are not being married by god? So if you ask me it should be legal for homosexuals to be married in any state, now where and how they get married will depend on what places will allow it and who is willing to have them wed. But I don’t see anything wrong with it and they should have that right just like everyone else.

Wilmer Almendares said...

Homosexual marriage is NOT a black or white argument! The major religions: Christianity, Judaism, Islam, prohibit homosexual acts. The believe that one can maintain a neutral view one this believe appears to accept and reject certain views on religion. So it appears we use religion only if it does not affect us directly or for own benefits. Children is another issue that arises with homosexuals. There has not been substantial evidence for or against the cognitive and physical development of a child in a homosexual home. Most members in the society oppose this thought and are not willing to consider it and view it as a risk that may interfere with their development. Legalizing homosexual marriage will only rise more issues and the demand for rights that society is not willing to accept (child adoption). In the future if we have the mental capacity to rationalize this view, we will continue to deprive homosexuals of their rights. According to the Bible "slavery" is considered good, but we have done way with this view, why not homosexuality if it does not violate other persons rights and is normal for other animal species?

Joshua King said...

People say, "I was born gay. I didn't choose to be like this." Being gay is a choice though. Even if I desired, I would choose if I wanted to have sex with men. I believe marriage should be between a man and a woman. Homosexuality is a sin just like stealing or lieing, it makes one think maybe im doing something wrong here. Society is now accepting homosexuality as normal. Gay couples should definetly not adopt kids because those kids will be bullied at school and will probably turn out gay and live a disfunctional life as they get older. I disprove of the lifestyle but thats about it. My cousin is gay and I'm going to see him for thanksgiving. I love the guy and accept him for who he is.

marton ruiz said...

The concept of gay marriage personally i think that is not wrong as long as is only done as a legal thing, because i personally think that they don't deserve the general support of a religious weeding just for the the fact that all religious institutions morally punish homosexual-ism with the moral concept of sin and eternity in hell burning and suffering for doing so, it would be like saying you accept and believe in god and decide to marry in the house of the lord, although knowing that he will merciless punish you for the sing and you will still go to hell and the priest or the representing figure of that institution knew it but still did it because is legally possible one should think that there is an obvious problem in that and it should not be done. Another ishue is the concept of gay couples adopting children doing that will bring more interpersonal issues to those children raised by those parents it for instance this example a male gay couple adopt a boy and raise him even if they did an amazing job taking care of the child and paying for all his expenses the concept of that child of gay couples is a new spit in argumentative issues here this boy that got raised by a normal couple and the boy know that he is bisexual but never got into any homosexual action of that and he never got into a relation ship with another guy since he understood the concept that generally being gay more than being something more than a anti-biological behavior is moral wrong action so he decided to live a normal straight live and have children because he know that being gay is wrong. imagine that know this same boy is not know raised by a gay couple rather than a straight one and the boy that knows that he feels something for both genders decides to become gay since that is what he saw in this parents and he doesn't see anything wrong personally because he saw that his entire live and saw that they where happy so that boy that could had been straight if he where to be raised by a straight couple but since he got to be raised by a gay couple decided to live a gay live and never has children.One doesn't see the problem of homosexual-ism until you answer this question Would you like your son to be homosexual and do you think that, that is the best path and choice for a human to take?

Johanna Meneses said...

Gay marriage should be allowed, no questions asked! After all marriage is the union of two people that are choosing to spend their lives together,who is anyone to say that those two should be male and female? Why do only certain people have the right to be married, that law is based on discrimination and is wrong! I too believe some people are born gay so what are they to do, now the problem here is that society is putting morals and religion before justice. Besides whether moral or unmoral how does it truly affect others if a gay couple wants to get married? Instead of worrying about other couples they should mind their own business and focus on themselves, their families, and their immoralities.

johanna meneses said...

Gay marriage should be allowed, no questions asked! After all marriage is the union of two people that are choosing to spend their lives together who is anyone to say that those two should be male and female? Why do only certain people have the right to be married, that law is based on discrimination and is wrong! I too believe some people are born gay so what are they to do, now the problem here is that society is putting morals and religion before justice. Besides whether moral or unmoral how does it truly affect others if a gay couple wants to get married? Instead of worrying about other couples they should mind their own business and focus on themselves, their families, and their immoralities.

Andres Parra said...

I will start by saying, “Just let it be.” I am catholic, so I believe in the institution of marriage. However, I am not a devote catholic, and by this statement I mean that I do not follow all the rules according to the bible because, as catholic, I have adapted to new social issues that contradict with the idea of a perfect world our bible promotes. My first point is that if two gay people love each other, and they want to make it official then they should be free to do so. Nevertheless, gay people have to understand that a church service it is not possible. There are rules that will not be broken. One of them is catholic marriage. According to the Catholic Church, marriage will be between a man and a woman, and there is nothing to do about that. My second point I about the blog has to do with our society’s mentality. Our society is changing the way it thinks about many things. One of them, it is gay couples and gay marriage. It is true, and it is visible that our society is accepting gay couple more easily into our social circles. But at the same time, it is interest how that same society puts limits about how far that acceptance would go. If we are going to open our minds, we must open them all the way. So, just let it be.

Jorge Lorenzo said...

Gay marriage, has become a serious issue globally as the years have gone by. It was a topic that was never really taken into serious consideration, but that has changed the past recent years. Marriage seems to me as religious form of uniting two people happily together for the rest of their lives. I cant think of any religion that allows homosexuality. But who am i to decide that two men or women have the right to get married, if they have such a strong inseparable bond. This is a topic that i simply lack of knowledge. But i believe that if homosexual marriage would become globally legal, they should not be married in religious churches that do not allow homosexuality. I feel like that would be an insult to those who take part in the religion seriously.

Cristine Lopez said...

Even though one third approves gay marriage and relationships the rest may be against it because of religious believes. It’s very unethical to actually express the reason why many people are against gay people. Everyone is liberal to choose the life style they want and the sex preference they want whether it’s a male or female. I think there preference should be recognized by the law and they should live regular lives like others and be given a chance. Many may be against it because they wonder how they are going to raise a child or have any chance of adoption. In my opinion they might even do a better a job than regular couples. All opinions, thoughts and decision are upon one choice and a change wouldn’t hurt. Gay people shouldn’t be discriminated.
-Cristine Lopez-

Ana said...

I do not think gay marriage should be allowed for two things, one it is a sin and two I believe it goes against our body’s design. I also believe that it is a choice to be gay. Several years ago, homosexuality was morally unacceptable in our society but today we see an increase of advertisements trying to push that the idea is good and completely normal. What will happen a few years from now when pedophiles start being morally accepted? If we put it on the same scale it shouldn’t be wrong, they are just in “love” right? They have the same attraction towards children or younger people. As for the person that said the Bible approves slavery, I will have to disagree with that. The type of slavery mentioned in the New Testament is referring to the roman style of slavery, which is completely different from the style of slavery we had here. Also in the Old Testament if God approved slavery, He would have left His people, the Israelites captive in the Babylon and Egypt until today. To understand the text we must understand the context also. Again, God loves the sinner but despises the sin. Romans 5:8 - But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. God loves the sinner and will change him if one chooses to do so through Him.

Ana Diego said...

I do not think gay marriage should be allowed for two things, one it is a sin and two I believe it goes against our body’s design. I also believe that it is a choice to be gay. Several years ago, homosexuality was morally unacceptable in our society but today we see an increase of advertisements trying to push that the idea is good and completely normal. What will happen a few years from now when pedophiles start being morally accepted? If we put it on the same scale it shouldn’t be wrong, they are just in “love” right? They have the same attraction towards children or younger people. As for the person that said the Bible approves slavery, I will have to disagree with that. The type of slavery mentioned in the New Testament is referring to the roman style of slavery, which is completely different from the style of slavery we had here. Also in the Old Testament if God approved slavery, He would have left His people, the Israelites captive in the Babylon and Egypt until today. To understand the text we must understand the context also. Again, God loves the sinner but despises the sin. Romans 5:8 - But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. God loves the sinner and will change him if one chooses to do so through Him.

Unknown said...

In the past, being gay or lesbian was considered to be deviant by most people in society. However, as time goes on, people have shown clemency towards those who identify themselves as gays or lesbians. One important thing is, biologically human beings are born male or female, except for some very few and rare cases where some people are born with no specific gender. Personally, I think being gay, lesbian or a transgender is a personal matter. Men and Women are born free and master of themselves. So, I think they can choose the gender they want to as long as they don’t violates the rights of others. Being gay or lesbian is a fundamental right that all people have.

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Elpowett said...
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Elpowett said...

Jose Luis Guerra Sam
Mr. Triff, I’m at bit at odds with some of the opinions and stances some of my class mates have on this issue. I understand, and somewhat inclined to think that some of their reasoning’s are originating more from how they were raised and taught on what to believe than thinking for themselves. Or maybe they haven’t tried to get to the root of this issue. I have a few points to make, but one needs to understand that not one point can be the smoking gun. You must oversee and understand the many points and view and the whole picture as one to fully comprehend the decision or no decision in the matter.
From my own research in this over informative world I live in I have found that marriage, the definition yet so hard to actually define, seems to have been found in ancient text back to the days of Hammurabi. I’ve also read that marriage pre dates reliable texts. Can you imagine marriage the idea of marriage has been around since before the time of lasting text! I mean. For reliable text to be around today and actually surviving, text should have been abundant, therefore a greater chance of surviving. But in the argument, it predates this. So text was scarce. I’ve read also that marriage, the word derives from the union of a male and female in agreement to be with each other for whatever beneficial reason. I think the word marriage is taken too seriously. Since it’s what the majority of our society uses to represent the actual union. A bit anal retentive I think. I think the union came before the word was created that then in turn became the representation of the union. Thru our many cultures and different views and different religions and sects, have manipulated to their own benefit the view of what marriage has always been, a union. I guess marriage sounds better. To say, “Will you union with me?” sound better than” Will you marry me?” I don’t know.

Elpowett said...

Continued.......The world is your oyster. People believe what they want to believe. I could care less if anyone else knew who I was married to. All I would care about is if that the person whom I’m married to knows that I’m am married to that person. I believe same sex marriage should be allowed. I believe that power lies between them. What repercussion with this lead to? How does this affect me? I don’t know if this is morally wrong. What I do believe is the sense of it or should I say the no sense of it. I cannot deny that emotions play a huge part in it. The same emotional attachment you feel towards a person, sexually, mutually can be a great indicator and motivator towards your decisions. But does it make sense when one cannot procreate. Within the origins of our species lies our reason to live, to survive, to procreate, to reason, to live forever thru our children. If by chance there were only two males on this planet and they were both gay, would they survive? No. We would be extinct right there and then. So no, it makes no sense. But this is not sufficient enough to deny marriage. Remember there is no denying that two individuals of the same sex bare within them an attraction with each other. That is undeniable. But is it the right of government to make their own rules on this? Only if the majority seems to think it so. But what if the majority is wrong? Like the planet is flat when it’s actually round. What about then? What if we are wrong this time, AGAIN. The world is your oyster. I believe every government and society makes their own rules. It’s all made up. I think the problem lies within this because most people think that marriage derived from a church or religion of some sort when in reality marriage was around before religion came to be a major power in decision making. If two people wanted to be with each other then guess what? They were with each other. It isn’t rocket science. Marriage in different parts of the world in different times of the world was seen different every time. It’s been morphing, changing with time and location. We won’t see this being legally binding until we see it legally binding. Meaning we have to accept that there is nothing wrong with this. Until we get around the problem we have in accepting this to be ok we won’t see that it was always ok. American law is in denial when it comes to this particular issue. I see the question, who is threatened by same sex marriage? And I can’t help but wonder what is there to be threatened about? Who is to gain from this? Who will be at a loss? Some can believe it to be sin and they are in their own right to say so but that’s to believe in sin in the first place. When one says sin, which sin are they talking about? Let’s get brass tacks. Sin is believed to be a moral code decreed by a divine entity. Well what if I don’t believe in divine entity? Does that mean I don’t know what morality is? I beg to differ. I believe one has inherent knowledge of what is bad and good.

Melida said...

"All men are created equal." This principle is simple, yet it seems like it's hard to follow. In my opinion gay marriage should be legal because everyone should have the same rights. Why exclude a person from exercising these rights just because their gay? That's just ignorant! We live in the 21st century and I feel that all these prejudices we hold are based on fear. I don't understand why so many people feel the need to protest heavily against gay marriage; maybe it's because these individuals are uncomfortable with their own sexuality. I also don't understand why religion would reject people that are gay; shouldn't religion unite us? and not create barriers between us? At the end of the day no matter what anyone's stance is on this issue no one should impose their views on anyone else.

-Melida Ortega-

Anonymous said...

Personally, I believe that gay marriage should be allowed and that the laws against it should be revoked.
Gays are human beings just like straight people and should have equal rights. It' similar to back when women didn't have the same rights men did and then people came to their senses to realize we're all human beings! Just because these people do not go along with societys view of "normal marriage" does not mean it is wrong.
I agree that there are many people who feel threatened by the progressnig success of gay rights. These people will hopefully learn to open their minds and hearts and accept everyone who lives on this earth, as long as they have not done anything legally wrong, as equal human beings. The world is too precious of a place to deprive people of its beauties and thats what our society is doing to gays. I hope that over time the laws become less and less because this will allow the close-minded people to maybe change their point of view.
Gay people's lives aren't a walk in the park. They are so discriminated against and put down that they live walking on eggshells and hiding who they really are. The recent suicides are an evident display of this. The more society as a whole accepts who these people are, they happier we will all be.


-Rebecca Johnson

Anonymous said...

Daniel Restrepo

i dont oppose to homosexual marriage becausi dont see how it affects me if two men or two women marrie eachother. if after all whether they marrie or not, they are still going to be gay together. all it changes is the legal status. so legally i think that every one has the right to be consider unified by the state. however religiously is a diferent issue.if a certain religion does not aprove of gay marriage, then i guess if you are gay you shouldnt approve of that religion either. after all it contradicts who you belive you are.

Unknown said...

It is my belief that you should be able to marry whomever you choose to marry, be it man or woman. That is your right as an American citizen, freedom to choose what you want to do, without harming or putting others in danger of course. From this point in time, politically, things will only get better as our nation changed mind set more detached from religious beliefs. I think it is quite ridiculous that gay marriage isn't legal in this country yet. This is coming from a straight atheist who grew up with religious teachings until the end of high school. There are many religious extremists about in America who will eventually be a minority to my belief. Let these Americans do what they want to do, marry whom they want to marry. Church and state should be separate. Over time common sense will prevail.

Unknown said...

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Chris Charles said...

I would have to agree that homosexual marriage isn't a black and white argument, although people no matter their sexual preference, should be allowed to marry whom ever they choose. Every time I hear the argument of same sex marriage, it makes me think back to a point in history where white and black marriage was frowned on not too long ago. I do believe that with the proper education and tolerance, that people will one day be able to over come their harsh feelings, like they did for the interracial couples.

mendez879 said...

Gay Marriage is a very controversial topic between people not because it's against the values that are set in society, it's because it's an action that is not black and white,its because in gay marriage there is just gray blurring the lines between extremes depending on the circumstances. We have right to express our religion, points on politics and sexuality. Why can't gay people express theirs freely as we do? The problem with homosexuality is that people aren't used to it, most people are scared of something that's new and unknown. The mayority are scared that if we let homosexuals marriage each other, there is going to be chaos, when that is not going to happen. Gays are people too, they are equal to us and there are nothing less.

Frank David Gali said...

Regarding traditional marriage, America and the rest of the world has labeled the word “traditional”. We have opted to change it to possibly even have a negative connotation. The issue of homosexual marriage is bigger and older than we understand. The unaccepted and frowned upon union has historical implications and implications of living for the flesh. As a Christian, who understands and meditates on the Bible as the living and active Word of God, my Truth, THE Truth is Jesus Christ and what He said and lived. He called for people to put the old self, namely the flesh, to death and follow Him. What is a traditional marriage? In a nation that was founded on the God of the Bible, we seem to be through with what God has to say about these issues. Those that hold fast to them, we see as being judgmental, un-accepting, even “Pharisees”. Atheism is a growing thing, because no one wants to have to answer to a higher being. But the truth is, sexual sin is fatal. In the simplest meaning of the word, perversion means “unnatural”. If we look at the way our bodies are crafted, created, yes, they did not just “evolve” to having male and female genetalia, God intended marriage and sexuality to be shared between a man and a woman.

Frank David Gali said...

Continued..
Does “nature” not scream this? In Genesis chapter 2, after God crafts women out of Adam’s rib, Adam declares that the woman is now bone of his bone and flesh of his flesh. Then God declares, “That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh. Adam and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame. “ If you know the story of Adam and Eve, you know that at this time, when man and woman had first been created, sin had not yet entered the perfect Eden. They were naked together and felt no shame. However, after they had sinned, perversion, or “sin” also entered the world. In the Old Testament, men who knew Genesis and understood God’s intention of a man being united to his “wife” (never did God say “wives” suggesting plurality) took for themselves multiple wives. Perversion? Yes, for this “sin” was unnatural and against what the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob instructed. If we talk about non-traditional marriages and how they should be not only understood but accepted, shouldn’t we then also determine that a man can have however many wives his “heart” desires? Well, according to Scripture, the heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it? (Jeremiah 17:9) Only the Lord can understand the heart of we who sin. God knows what is best for you. Do you not realize that your heart is deceitful? If homosexuals believe that that lifestyle is most “beneficial” for them, should they really follow their own heart? I’ve never met someone who struggles with homosexuality and acts upon it who is completely satisfied and at rest. Why? Because this was NOT the intention of the Most High God, who sees all things, and knows what is best for the people and world He created. Should we not look to the Creator of all things good, and let Him direct our steps? Will we choose to follow His ways, even if they go against what our flesh is craving? The question is: does God REALLY know what is best. From the proof of actions and the redemption I have found in Christ, yes. He knows, even when my deceitful heart does not.

Lester Alvarez said...

The Controversy of Human Ideals

Since the day human beings exist on this very planet we have been attracted to judging anything there is. We judge objects, actions, and people, and even things that have already occurred and are unchangeable. Mankind often here by, criticize dependent on the eye of the viewer.
For instance, in gay marriage it is taken as an immoral act mostly, because there is no religion that encourages the ceremony of bonding two human beings of the same sex. This issue is always seen controversial because of religious opposition to this belief.
On the other hand, we all live in the 21st century so everyone has the right to express himself the way he/she wants to, as long as you do not affect other's in particular younger people's mindset about one's own sex.
- Lester Alvarez -

Chanel said...

My thoughts on gay marriage are very simple. I believe people have the right to choose whom to love and spend their life with that person if they choose to. I don't see why every choice a person makes has to be ridiculed and placed in the hands of the public and politicians. If the divorce rate is up to 50% then who the he'll cares if gay people get married because it's seems like know one straight knows what their doing or why. What I'm basically saying is this, if so much has happened over the past decade that we've debated over and seen through it then why is everyone acting like this is new? How is gay rights different? The morals? The money? What is it that makes it hard for people to accept?