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Tuesday, November 16, 2010
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I believe this issue will be done soon, even though society is still in a "fake" or incomplete acceptance of gay community, the reality is that there is no real reason for which anyone should deny gay to have equal rights as heterosexuals. We do no harm, neither crime by loving one's same sex. Or do we? I think that this ideology of denying the gay marry and treating us as less human, simply comes from the church. They have no right to chose for our lives, but that is mainly what they do, with homosexuals as well as heterosexuals. "The more you hate, the stronger the community will grow." Church definitely plays the biggest role in this problem and misconception of a gay person. They put us as ALL sinners, ALL promiscuous, ALL drug addicts...etc, yet aren't homosexuals the same? I had been a member of a christian church since my childhood. I was part of the worship band, and a consecrated active member of many actvities in the community. I learned a lot from all the teachings and gained moral values. But at the age of 17 I decided to quit, when I realized I was homosexual. I wasn't acepted and my life changed completely. I was seen as the black sheep of my crowd and definetly a big sinner. People would not like me anymore, including my friends. They would say that I should change, that I should be with a man. I didn't want to be with a man, and I was still the same person, with the same values, but now discriminated. I have no resentment towards the christian community because I know that they are blind to the real world, in fact I used to be like that. But, I consider that its time for the world to open their minds and not stick with all that TV, people, church, parents, friends TELL YOU is TRUE and RIGHT...because it's probably not. I wish that one day the union between same sex can be made legal and have the same rights as an heterosexual person who is in love. So next time you think you are against GAY MARRIAGE, take a time to analyze WHY? Would you like the same if YOU were GAY?
Those that feel threatened by the thought of gay marriage are the people who believe that god will punish homosexuality because it’s an “abomination” according to the bible. They believe that marriage between the same sex will desecrate the sanctity of the church and what family values should mean. They believe that god meant for it to be Adam and Eve NOT Adam and Steve, like some people call it. However, do those same people ever consider all the heterosexual marriages that end up in divorce or with the wives being beaten to death as a desecration to marriage?? Or how about the heterosexuals that run off to Vegas, get hammered and wind up married? The way I see it, it’s those people who desecrate the sanctity of marriage not gays. I think you should be allowed to marry anyone you want, it’s about love and commitment not what the church values as right. Love should never be wrong. People shouldn’t be neglected the right to be with the person they love, and same goes for same sex couples being able to adopt. There are straight couples out there who neglect and beat their children to death yet some gay couples who would love and care for children aren’t seen as fit to raise children? This I don’t find fair at all. People see things this way because of what the bible tells them is “right” yet they don’t take into consideration the fact that the bible was written in ancient times and by god’s followers not god himself. Back in those times for instance “abomination” meant unclean not that it was wrong. The Leviticus says that “a man shall not lie with another man, for it’s an abomination” however, a few chapters before that it also states that “eating shell fish or any other animal with a shell is an abomination”. So every closed minded person should just think of that next time they go to Red Lobster and chow down.
There is really no legitimate reason to prohibit same sex marriage. How can most Americans be unwilling to restrict the civil liberties of homosexuals, yet disapprove of their right to marry? There seems to be a hint of hypocrisy in their logic. "Those who feel threatened by the perceived cultural weakening of heterosexual marriage are more likely to oppose gay marriage." I found this section of the article deeply intriguing. Americans are taking a stand on this issue triggered by convenience and sentimentality. I strongly believe that any energy spent on protecting the sanctity of marriage is going to waste. It simply isn't what it used to be. 50% percent of first marriages, 67% of second and 74% of third marriages end in divorce, according to Jennifer Baker of the Forest Institute of Professional Psychology in Springfield, Missouri. It is rare to come upon the picture perfect family now days. Women have fought for and acquired a little something that they were denied several decades ago, civil rights. Marriage has not been the same since. Honestly, I would not be surprised to see the traditional ritual itself die off and become obsolete. Soon, we will all just remember the holy ceremony as something our ancestors once did. So, I say, do not deny anyone the right to marry in the name of love. It is a lost battle to preserve something that is dissolving as we speak.
Just want to share these few scriptures Romans 21:32
21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Others can believe what they want to believe, but I sticking to the to WORD OF GOD on this one. Understand GOD does not hate the sinner, but the sin itself. Otherwise, we all would be lost with no means for redemption.
I think this issue will be over soon because as time passes morality changes. What may have been bad before maybe good now. Gay couples have rights just like any of us do. They are human beings . Everyone has the rights to do what they want. It doesn't matter if you like the same sex. What matter is who you are as a person. Treat people as ends, not ends in themselves. Don't judge a book because of it's cover. Gay couples can be good parents. They know how to take care of a child. It doesn't necessary mean the child is going to be gay themselves. As long as the child is raise right , and has a happy home. They are good.If gays have the right to be any professions such as doctors, nurses, lawyers,governors,and parents. They have the right to marry anyone they please.
Why are rights created? What purpose or what role do they play in our lives!? Do people have rights just whenever they feel like it, or are they ALWAYS present? Is there a right for every action we perform? If it was decided that homosexuals can have the same rights as heterosexuals, how come they cannot get married? Isn’t that a way to discriminate them because of their sexual preferences!? And if we step on theological point of view, isn’t there a contradicting point? Yes, in the bible says that God created male and female in order to procreated and populated the earth… but every day, almost every hour, sadly, at least one marriage ends; some couples can’t reproduce, and marriage is not longer the only way to procreate… Doesn’t the bible also say that we have to love each other as Jesus loves us? Don’t homosexuals love each other too? If we are all part of God’s creation and God loves all of us, why should we discriminate our fellow brothers and sisters? How come we only use the Bible in order to point the part where it says that homosexuality is “wrong” but we don’t pay attention where it says to love others without discrimination? What’s so wrong with homosexuals, as part of our society, wanting their rights to be fulfilled and have some kind of legal protection as heterosexual marriages? Does it affect heterosexual marriages? How!? And if you were homosexual, wouldn’t you like to be able to get married the one you love the most? People are not less because of their personal preferences. We are all the same in essence so why should we create discrepancies between ourselves? We are imperfect creatures with different races, nationalities, genders, religions, ages, features, beliefs, etc, but all and each of us, is part of this world. Denisse Unda
Is it not a bit eccentric to answer to this CIVIL RIGHTS question in terms of:
"31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them."(quoted from Mcozart's comment)
Why does it seem valid to bring these quotes from SCRIPTURES into the very SECULAR talk of marriage? Are these statements warranted evidence for any argument on this topic?
WHO wrote your scriptures, I ask, that would have a relevance with THIS argument which is based on society's NORMS and NOT SOULS? Was this a marriage counselor? a civil rights lawyer? Who concluded these harsh judgements that you want to use as a stratagem built upon the emotional connection YOU share with the scriptures?
I would say that out of a PHILOSOPHY class, your argumentative skills fall very short. They leave much critical thinking to be desired. This issue is based upon CIVIL law and not HOLY law. Your argument was not even developed in the slightest, no connection was made as to the question and how it connects to your "evidence" for your answer.
Attesting to the growing accumulation of violence, drug abuse, and sexually transmitted infections, it is highly predictable to aggregate gay marriage to the list of today's society. Evidently, the higher percentage of opposition tends to come from the older generation rather than the younger ones. I believe that the traditional vows of marriage should be preserved and continued to be practiced for more generations to come for it represents purity and sanctity. However, throughout the years society has perceived a distinctive view of how one should intellectually think and react in all aspects of life. In a sense, today's generation lacks a moral conscience and replaces it with ignorance which results in the moral depravity that is found today. If gay marriage should be respected and legislated as traditional vows were done, then why wasn't that type of marriage generally accepted by society in the past? The past that consisted of mature sophisticated individuals that emanated respect and honor. I simply believe that they led more formal and decent lives because the substantial amount of violence and diseases were not as abundant as they are today. Nonetheless, I present myself objectively for society does whatever it desires to do with no sense of direction nor control; for almost all laws that have been legislated are comprised of flaws and recklessness..
In general, marriage is the union between two people of different sex. Lately, it is also the union between two people of the same sex. Lesbians and gays are fighting not only to legalize their unions but also to get the same advantages as those that are traditionally married. I think that if we live in society everyone deserves to get the same opportunity no matter his or her tendencies are. I think it is a personal choice to be gay or lesbian and if they chose to get out the closet and fight for their rights I think it is fair. I have been taught that homosexuality was morally wrong and it does conflict some of my values; however, I don’t feel threatened by gay marriage.
9 comments:
I believe this issue will be done soon, even though society is still in a "fake" or incomplete acceptance of gay community, the reality is that there is no real reason for which anyone should deny gay to have equal rights as heterosexuals. We do no harm, neither crime by loving one's same sex. Or do we? I think that this ideology of denying the gay marry and treating us as less human, simply comes from the church. They have no right to chose for our lives, but that is mainly what they do, with homosexuals as well as heterosexuals. "The more you hate, the stronger the community will grow." Church definitely plays the biggest role in this problem and misconception of a gay person. They put us as ALL sinners, ALL promiscuous, ALL drug addicts...etc, yet aren't homosexuals the same? I had been a member of a christian church since my childhood. I was part of the worship band, and a consecrated active member of many actvities in the community. I learned a lot from all the teachings and gained moral values. But at the age of 17 I decided to quit, when I realized I was homosexual. I wasn't acepted and my life changed completely. I was seen as the black sheep of my crowd and definetly a big sinner. People would not like me anymore, including my friends. They would say that I should change, that I should be with a man. I didn't want to be with a man, and I was still the same person, with the same values, but now discriminated. I have no resentment towards the christian community because I know that they are blind to the real world, in fact I used to be like that. But, I consider that its time for the world to open their minds and not stick with all that TV, people, church, parents, friends TELL YOU is TRUE and RIGHT...because it's probably not. I wish that one day the union between same sex can be made legal and have the same rights as an heterosexual person who is in love. So next time you think you are against GAY MARRIAGE, take a time to analyze WHY? Would you like the same if YOU were GAY?
-Estefa Pinares
MWF 10 am
Those that feel threatened by the thought of gay marriage are the people who believe that god will punish homosexuality because it’s an “abomination” according to the bible. They believe that marriage between the same sex will desecrate the sanctity of the church and what family values should mean. They believe that god meant for it to be Adam and Eve NOT Adam and Steve, like some people call it. However, do those same people ever consider all the heterosexual marriages that end up in divorce or with the wives being beaten to death as a desecration to marriage?? Or how about the heterosexuals that run off to Vegas, get hammered and wind up married? The way I see it, it’s those people who desecrate the sanctity of marriage not gays.
I think you should be allowed to marry anyone you want, it’s about love and commitment not what the church values as right. Love should never be wrong. People shouldn’t be neglected the right to be with the person they love, and same goes for same sex couples being able to adopt. There are straight couples out there who neglect and beat their children to death yet some gay couples who would love and care for children aren’t seen as fit to raise children? This I don’t find fair at all.
People see things this way because of what the bible tells them is “right” yet they don’t take into consideration the fact that the bible was written in ancient times and by god’s followers not god himself. Back in those times for instance “abomination” meant unclean not that it was wrong. The Leviticus says that “a man shall not lie with another man, for it’s an abomination” however, a few chapters before that it also states that “eating shell fish or any other animal with a shell is an abomination”. So every closed minded person should just think of that next time they go to Red Lobster and chow down.
There is really no legitimate reason to prohibit same sex marriage. How can most Americans be unwilling to restrict the civil liberties of homosexuals, yet disapprove of their right to marry? There seems to be a hint of hypocrisy in their logic.
"Those who feel threatened by the perceived cultural weakening of heterosexual marriage are more likely to oppose gay marriage." I found this section of the article deeply intriguing. Americans are taking a stand on this issue triggered by convenience and sentimentality.
I strongly believe that any energy spent on protecting the sanctity of marriage is going to waste. It simply isn't what it used to be. 50% percent of first marriages, 67% of second and 74% of third marriages end in divorce, according to Jennifer Baker of the Forest Institute of Professional Psychology in Springfield, Missouri. It is rare to come upon the picture perfect family now days. Women have fought for and acquired a little something that they were denied several decades ago, civil rights. Marriage has not been the same since.
Honestly, I would not be surprised to see the traditional ritual itself die off and become obsolete. Soon, we will all just remember the holy ceremony as something our ancestors once did.
So, I say, do not deny anyone the right to marry in the name of love. It is a lost battle to preserve something that is dissolving as we speak.
Just want to share these few scriptures Romans 21:32
21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Others can believe what they want to believe, but I sticking to the to WORD OF GOD on this one. Understand GOD does not hate the sinner, but the sin itself. Otherwise, we all would be lost with no means for redemption.
I think this issue will be over soon because as time passes morality changes. What may have been bad before maybe good now. Gay couples have rights just like any of us do. They are human beings . Everyone has the rights to do what they want. It doesn't matter if you like the same sex. What matter is who you are as a person. Treat people as ends, not ends in themselves. Don't judge a book because of it's cover. Gay couples can be good parents. They know how to take care of a child. It doesn't necessary mean the child is going to be gay themselves. As long as the child is raise right , and has a happy home. They are good.If gays have the right to be any professions such as doctors, nurses, lawyers,governors,and parents. They have the right to marry anyone they please.
Why are rights created? What purpose or what role do they play in our lives!? Do people have rights just whenever they feel like it, or are they ALWAYS present? Is there a right for every action we perform? If it was decided that homosexuals can have the same rights as heterosexuals, how come they cannot get married? Isn’t that a way to discriminate them because of their sexual preferences!? And if we step on theological point of view, isn’t there a contradicting point? Yes, in the bible says that God created male and female in order to procreated and populated the earth… but every day, almost every hour, sadly, at least one marriage ends; some couples can’t reproduce, and marriage is not longer the only way to procreate… Doesn’t the bible also say that we have to love each other as Jesus loves us? Don’t homosexuals love each other too? If we are all part of God’s creation and God loves all of us, why should we discriminate our fellow brothers and sisters? How come we only use the Bible in order to point the part where it says that homosexuality is “wrong” but we don’t pay attention where it says to love others without discrimination? What’s so wrong with homosexuals, as part of our society, wanting their rights to be fulfilled and have some kind of legal protection as heterosexual marriages? Does it affect heterosexual marriages? How!? And if you were homosexual, wouldn’t you like to be able to get married the one you love the most? People are not less because of their personal preferences. We are all the same in essence so why should we create discrepancies between ourselves? We are imperfect creatures with different races, nationalities, genders, religions, ages, features, beliefs, etc, but all and each of us, is part of this world.
Denisse Unda
Is it not a bit eccentric to answer to this CIVIL RIGHTS question in terms of:
"31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them."(quoted from Mcozart's comment)
Why does it seem valid to bring these quotes from SCRIPTURES into the very SECULAR talk of marriage? Are these statements warranted evidence for any argument on this topic?
WHO wrote your scriptures, I ask, that would have a relevance with THIS argument which is based on society's NORMS and NOT SOULS? Was this a marriage counselor? a civil rights lawyer? Who concluded these harsh judgements that you want to use as a stratagem built upon the emotional connection YOU share with the scriptures?
I would say that out of a PHILOSOPHY class, your argumentative skills fall very short. They leave much critical thinking to be desired. This issue is based upon CIVIL law and not HOLY law. Your argument was not even developed in the slightest, no connection was made as to the question and how it connects to your "evidence" for your answer.
Attesting to the growing accumulation of violence, drug abuse, and sexually transmitted infections, it is highly predictable to aggregate gay marriage to the list of today's society. Evidently, the higher percentage of opposition tends to come from the older generation rather than the younger ones. I believe that the traditional vows of marriage should be preserved and continued to be practiced for more generations to come for it represents purity and sanctity. However, throughout the years society has perceived a distinctive view of how one should intellectually think and react in all aspects of life. In a sense, today's generation lacks a moral conscience and replaces it with ignorance which results in the moral depravity that is found today. If gay marriage should be respected and legislated as traditional vows were done, then why wasn't that type of marriage generally accepted by society in the past? The past that consisted of mature sophisticated individuals that emanated respect and honor. I simply believe that they led more formal and decent lives because the substantial amount of violence and diseases were not as abundant as they are today. Nonetheless, I present myself objectively for society does whatever it desires to do with no sense of direction nor control; for almost all laws that have been legislated are comprised of flaws and recklessness..
In general, marriage is the union between two people of different sex. Lately, it is also the union between two people of the same sex. Lesbians and gays are fighting not only to legalize their unions but also to get the same advantages as those that are traditionally married. I think that if we live in society everyone deserves to get the same opportunity no matter his or her tendencies are. I think it is a personal choice to be gay or lesbian and if they chose to get out the closet and fight for their rights I think it is fair. I have been taught that homosexuality was morally wrong and it does conflict some of my values; however, I don’t feel threatened by gay marriage.
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